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Re: XHTML as XML

From: Ryan Cannon <ryan@ryancannon.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 14:08:07 -0500
Message-ID: <420A5F97.8050101@ryancannon.com>
To: Jesper Tverskov <jesper.tverskov@mail.tele.dk>
CC: www-style@w3.org
Wouldn't

html { margin: 0; padding: 0 }
head { display: none }
body {height: 100%; width: 100% }

Do the trick? It doesn't really make sense for the body element to be 
magical, as

head { display: block }

is entirely possible, and for some media may be ideal--I'm thinking here 
some text-based or small-screen browsers that want to do something 
special with title, link and meta elements.

I think the real problem is that the default stylesheet for the 
Mozilla-based browsers includes unnecessary whitespace--which you can 
easily work around.
Jesper Tverskov wrote:

>In my opinion Opera is doing it the way it should be done, and the
>candidate specification is very unclear by the way and could still be
>fixed. W3C's own browser, Amaya 9.0, is also doing it the Opera way.
>
>Only Mozilla/Firefox wants us to both style the html element and the
>body element for the same thing. This is redundant and no fun since the
>DTD doesn't allow the use of the class attribute in the html element.
>
>If we are going with Mozilla/Firefox we need either to include a lot of
>inline styles for the html element which I am never going to do, or to
>have two stylesheets for every document, the last stylesheet just to
>handle the html element, or we need to use the id attribute and find up
>unique values. 
>
>We probably need to use the URL of each document for the id value of the
>html element just to please Mozilla/Firefox. This is going to be very
>messy in our external stylesheet. For nothing! I hate it already!
>
>Since all the above "madness" is not necessary to get Opera and W3C's
>Amaya to work, I am counting on IE to help us out the day IE delivers.
>That day I will delete my "being nice to Mozilla/Firefox" rule from my
>stylesheet.
>
>Best regards,
>Jesper Tverskov
>
>
>-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>Fra: Ian Hickson [mailto:ian@hixie.ch] 
>Sendt: 9. februar 2005 15:01
>Til: Jesper Tverskov
>Cc: www-html@w3.org; gerald@w3.org
>Emne: Re: XHTML as XML
>
>On Tue, 8 Feb 2005, Jesper Tverskov wrote:
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>>2) Is it a bug for Mozilla/FireFox suddenly to require that we also 
>>style the html element with background-color similar to the body 
>>element? The Opera browser don't have this problem. In my opinion, the
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>>body element must be the "top" element of the view port also when
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>XHTML 
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>>is XML.
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>Firefox is correct here.
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>See the fourth paragraph of
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>   http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#q2
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>Opera's rendering is a known bug.
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Ryan Cannon
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