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Re: CSS3: Color

From: Andrew Thompson <lordpixel@mac.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:56:45 -0500
To: www style <www-style@w3.org>
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On Tuesday, Feb 18, 2003, at 21:16 America/New_York, Tantek Çelik wrote:
>> That's it? This is what you're adding color names for? Why, that's 
>> easy to do
>> even now. Just don't override the user's link colors.
>>> The "if possible" meaning 'in the absence of an elegant and well
>>> articulated alternative that is likely to be implemented'
> Pardon the interruption, but it seems like fantasai and Chris Lilley 
> are
> talking about two different things.
> I *thought* Chris was talking about the _CSS2_system_colors_, for which
> there is no functionally equivalent alternative.  They're far from 
> perfect,
> but they still have some utility, have been interoperably implemented 
> by two
> or more user agents, and have been referenced/used by the SVG
> specifications.
> It's clear that fantasai is talking about the _CSS3_hyperlink_colors_, 
> which
> *do* have a functionally equivalent alternative as fantasai pointed out
> (don't override the user's link colors).  They have not been 
> implemented
> (AFAIK), and have not been referenced/used by any other specifications.
> I am still *for* dropping the CSS3 hyperlink colors.
> It appears that fantasai is also for dropping them.
> Does anyone else have an opinion either way?

Well, I was going to stay out of it this time, but since you asked...
Neither current mainstream OS (Win XP or Mac OS X) is in any way 
adequately covered by the system colors. Both use textures, shadows, 
highlights etc in ways the System Colors don't capture. I don't know 
enough about Gnome or KDE to comment on these.

> Do the original requestors of this functionality still care about it, 
> or was
> my suggested implementation workaround accepted as an alterative?
>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2002Sep/0061.html
> You've got (just under) 10 days to speak up.  If no one objects I am 
> leaning
> towards dropping the CSS3 hyperlink colors.

Well, on reading I'd assumed the utility of these keywords is to enable 
me to style some arbitrary element in some way such that it looks more 
like a hyperlink to the user - at least it uses the same colors. eg, I 
suppose I could have an <object> element that behaves similarly to a 
hyperlink when the embedded content is clicked on. I might want to 
style it with in the appropriate colors borders so it looks like a 
hyperlink to the user.

I took at look at your proposed alternate Tantek, and I'm not sure how 
I'd achieve something like that using your user stylesheet scheme. I'd 
assumed something like that was the use case for this feature.

AndyT (lordpixel - the cat who walks through walls)
A little bigger on the inside

         (see you later space cowboy ...)
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