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Re: css3-lists: Coptic and Ionic Greek

From: Tim Bagot <tsb-w3-style-0005@earth.li>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:07:02 +0000 (UTC)
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At 2002-11-12T03:27+0200, Christos Cheretakis wrote:-

> Christopher Hoess (by way of Bert Bos ) wrote:

>  > "upper-ionic-greek" and "lower-ionic-greek" (these names
>  > are provisional) correspond to the classical Greek numbering system,
>  >  which is said to be preferred over Roman numerals for list numbering
>  >  in written Greek.
>
>
>    Let me first note that there is no other greek numbering system
> besides the ancient one! That is, the one described in the WD, where the
> greek letters are mapped one-to-one to numbers is invalid.

The upper-greek and lower-greek list styles in the WD do not represent
numbering systems - they are alphabetic list styles, and I have seen both
of them used in English text.

>  > Ones         Tens         Hundreds
>  > 1   U+03B1 | 10  U+03B9 | 100  U+03C1
>  > 2   U+03B2 | 20  U+03BA | 200  U+03C3
>  > 3   U+03B3 | 30  U+03BB | 300  U+03C4
>  > 4   U+03B4 | 40  U+03BC | 400  U+03C5
>  > 5   U+03B5 | 50  U+03BD | 500  U+03C6
>  > 6   U+03DB | 60  U+03BE | 600  U+03C7
>  > 7   U+03B6 | 70  U+03BF | 700  U+03C8
>  > 8   U+03B7 | 80  U+03C0 | 800  U+03C9
>  > 9   U+03B8 | 90  U+03E5 | 900  U+03E1

>  > Lower-Ionic-Greek

My limited (and slightly rusty) knowledge of ancient Greek agrees with
Christopher Hoess on these code points for lower-ionic-greek.

>    The table for lower greek is as follows:
>
>   Ones                     Tens             Hundreds
>    1   U+03B1 ()         | 10  U+03B9 () | 100  U+03C3 ()
>    2   U+03B2 ()         | 20  U+03BA () | 200  U+03C4 ()
>    3   U+03B3 ()         | 30  U+03BB () | 300  U+03C5 ()
>    4   U+03B4 ()         | 40  U+03BC () | 400  U+03C6 ()
>    5   U+03B5 ()         | 50  U+03BD () | 500  U+03C7 ()
>    6   U+03C3,U+03C4 () | 60  U+03BE () | 600  U+03C8 ()
>    7   U+03B6 ()         | 70  U+03BF () | 700  U+03C9 ()
>    8   U+03B7 ()         | 80  U+03C0 () | 800  probably digamma
>    9   U+03B8 ()         | 90  U+03C1 () | 900  probably stigma

This table differs in the characters used for all numerals >= 90.

>    Modern greek uses the ancient lower system, but does not have the 800
> & 900 positions, so you can only count up to 799.

... However Stefanos Karasavvidis' reference to
<http://www.culture.gr/2/20/201/reg_gr.html> shows that at least in modern
usage U+03C3,U+03C4 (sigma, tau) is used for 6 instead of U+03DB (stigma),
and I am quite prepared to believe this table is correct up to 799 for
what might be called lower-greek-numeric.


Tim Bagot
Received on Tuesday, 12 November 2002 15:07:26 GMT

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