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Re: css layout should be symmetrical

From: Vadim Plessky <lucy-ples@mtu-net.ru>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:34:31 +0000
To: "Rob Larsen" <Rob@DrunkenFist.com>, <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <auto-000020153732@umail.ru>
On Tuesday 19 February 2002 15:33, Rob Larsen wrote:
|   Lurker piping up.
|
|   ----- Original Message -----
|   From: "Vadim Plessky" <lucy-ples@mtu-net.ru>
|
|   > well, if you do web design for fun - you should Say Goodbuy to htis
|
|   client.
|
|   > If you work for money - you need to follow.
|
|   I think the point is a lot of us do this for money and need to please
|   clients (or bosses, or marketing execs, etc.)  and there are designs that
|   can't be done using only CSS (looking as far forward as I can afford to
|   look.) That's a failure in the specifications.

Indeed, it's a failure in specifications.
Plus, it took too much time [by browser vendors] to achieve acceptable 
compatibility with CSS specs.

|
|   > I found (personal opinion) that it's better to get money in some
|   > business, sometimes not related to IT or Web at all, and to re-invest
|   > those money in your hobby and volunteer work.
|   > I hardly believe that I could buy a car I drive nowdays if I was doing
|   > web design :-)
|
|   This makes no sense to me. If I'm making a great living working as a web
|   designer (something I enjoy), why would I do something else?  This is the
|   bread and butter business for a lot of people. The exact people that the

Probably, in US, not here.
it's definitly not "bread and butter business" around me. 

| w3c has to win over.
|
|   > |   Is this group mostly theoretical?
[...]
|
|   If designers aren't seeing what they need in CSS then the specs need to
|   address that and this is as good a place as any to point out what people
|   need. Isn't it? Professional designers and interface folks are going to
| be the people that control the majority of what users are presented in real
| world situations. If they can't do what they want to do visually using CSS,

I guess they just do not care. Those "designers" are not interested neither 
in CSS not ir Tables/HTML.
Designers do *design*, not CSS or HTML!..
Usually, they need just pen and a piece of paper. Computers at a ll are not 
necessary to do design. Even leading auto-makers start design of concept cars 
on paper.

| then all the rhetoric in the world about using tables only for tabular data
| isn't going to stop them from using tables. In that case all the thought
| and work that has gone into this is all for naught. That's an important
| thing to consider.
|
|   Think about the number of hybrid sites out there- CSS for text styling
| and tables for layout. Why do that? Why take the time to learn css to style
| text and then ignore it when it comes to layout?

Good question. :-)
Probbaly, those guys do not study CSS at all. They just use HTML generated by 
FrontPage or Dreamweaver, that's it.

|
|   Rob Larsen
|   http://DrunkenFist.com/
|   ===================>

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