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Re: css3-lists: Coptic and Ionic Greek

From: Christos Cheretakis <xalkina@otenet.gr>
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:15:08 +0200
Message-ID: <3E0066CC.7070801@otenet.gr>
To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
CC: Web Style Sheets W3C Mailing List <www-style@w3.org>

Ian Hickson wrote:
> 
> It seems extremely strange to me to have a system that is used to say
> something like "bla bla 88 bla bla" but if it the number is increased by
> two, it suddenly changes numbering system.
> 

   "Although quite a number of points > 90 are defined, because of the 
holes created due to the missing code-points, it is suggested to use 
decimal as a fallback algorithm for numbers > 90". I don't really love 
it, but I guess it's a viable solution. The editing is yours.

> 
>>The number of the beast would be "chi xi sigma tau'" in modern greek
>>in any way.
> 
> 
> Sure, but it's not like anyone is going to use CSS counters to say the
> number of the beast.
> 

   Yep.

> 
>>So, if you want to make a note on that, I'd rather you said "it is 
>>defined, but not used" for >= 90, than "is not defined".
> 
> 
> Would you be ok with that?
> 
> My problem is that having a numbering system with a large numbers of holes
> in it is annoying to implement, ugly to specify, and disturbing to read.
> 

   I only agree with "disturbing to read", but I guess that's enough.

> 
> 
>>>Ok, so for modern I won't mention numeral-sign, and I'll make the suffix
>>>")".
>>
>>Yes, and no, again.
> 
> 
> Well, I can't say "yes and no" in the spec.
> 
> Should the spec say that lower-greek and upper-greek end with the numeral
> sign, or not? What should it say the suffix is? How about ancient-greek?
> 

   No is for ancient greek, yes is for modern. The numeral sign *is* 
part of the number. In ancient greek style dropping it is a big *NO-NO*. 
In modern greek it is dropped, as a matter of style, when it is closely 
followed by some other characters, for example the list-number suffix. 
When used in a list, the suffix would be ")", the closing paren.

> 
>>For modern-greek, when used in a list, you would drop the
>>numeral-sign, [...] But, when used in generated content, ie, TOC,
>>chapter title numbering, etc., the numeral-sign has to be there. [...]
> 
> 
> Well, authors can always add the numeral sign manually, if they are using
> generated content.
> 

   Conceptually, I don't like it as a proposed solution. It solves the 
problem, in a way, though. I'd say, make the spec be correct, and let 
implementations propose work-arounds.

	C/

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