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Deplorable Taste Was (Re: Standards Compliance and msn )

From: Frank Boumphrey <bckman@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:34:08 -0400
Message-ID: <02d201c15e65$f35d7260$ecce79a5@D1C4FN01>
To: "Vadim Plessky" <lucy-ples@mtu-net.ru>, "Dylan Schiemann" <dylans@yahoo.com>, <www-style@w3.org>
<Plessky>
Microsoft is acting here in the same way as terrorists on Sept.11 in WTC.
 Terrorists got their war. Microsoft will get it as well.
</Plessky>

Mr. Plessky,

You should be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting such a thing. This
statement is of the worst taste I've ever seen on the Internet, and I'm
including all those pornographic sites.

I think you owe an appology both to the list and to Chris Wilson and to
Tanek

Frank Boumphrey

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vadim Plessky" <lucy-ples@mtu-net.ru>
To: "Dylan Schiemann" <dylans@yahoo.com>; <www-style@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Standards Compliance and msn


> On Friday 26 October 2001 03:03, Dylan Schiemann wrote:
> |   Things like this:
> |   http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-7660935.html are
> |   why Tantek and Chris often get such disrespect on this
> |   list.
> |
> |   "But, Visse warned, "the experience may be slightly
> |   degraded simply because they don't support the
> |   standards we support closely, as far as the HTML
> |   standard in those browsers."
> |
> |   Currently, using the most recent browser from
> |   Mozilla.org to reach MSN.com brings a message from
> |   Microsoft saying it has "detected that the browser
> |   that you are using will not render MSN.com correctly."
> |   Mozilla.org does open-source browser development for
> |   AOL Time Warner's Netscape Communications unit.
> |
>
> Dylan, other subscribers of www-style list:
>
> I can confrim that I get the same *warning* from Microsoft visiting
> http://www.msn.com with Opera5/Linux and Konqueror 2.2/KDE.
>
> Screenshots:
> http://htmltests.newmail.ru/microsoft/msn_com-konq.png
> http://htmltests.newmail.ru/microsoft/msn_com-opera5lin.png
>
> But, I was able to *get in* using Konqueror with MS IE 5.0/Win95 User
Agent
> Screenshot:
>
http://htmltests.newmail.ru/microsoft/msn_com-Oct28-Konq22-fake-as-MSIE-i.pn
g
>
> looking at site's design (www.msn.com ), it seems Microsoft again uses
> pixel-sized fonts, making text almost unreadable for UserAgent with good
dpi
> resolution.
> (I have 96dpi setting in XFree86)
> Again, I was able to correct it, using Konqueror's Font Increase feature
> Screenshot:
>
http://htmltests.newmail.ru/microsoft/msn_com-Oct28-Konq22-fake-as-MSIE-font
-increased-i.png
> So, Microsoft really underestimated Open-Source software, all their
> aggressive efforts are useless after all ! ;-))
>
> All this is very, *VERY* offensive from Microsoft side.
> I just wondering how company listed on NASDAQ can go to market with such
> anti-market, anti-marketing, agressive, anti-humanitarian approach.
> I can guess that instead of massive browser upgrades, Microsoft will get
just
> jihad against them.
> Microsoft is acting here in the same way as terrorists on Sept.11 in WTC.
>  Terrorists got their war. Microsoft will get it as well.
> If I made it not clear enough:
> "Dear Microsoft managers, there is no way how you can make web and
Internet
> users your hostages. You will get resistance, you will get negative
reactions
> from all countries over the world. Stop offend people, stop blaim
Open-Source
> software. Only fair competition can make company successful and
honourable"
>                      Vadim Plessky
>
> |   Visse said earlier Thursday that the message would be
> |   shown to people using "browsers that we know don't
> |   support (W3C) standards or that we can't insure will
> |   get a great experience for the customer." W3C refers
> |   to the World Wide Web Consortium, which is developing
> |   industry standards for Web technologies.
> |   "
> |
> |   Here's a screenshot of the message:
> |   http://www.dylanschiemann.com/images/msnRejectsMozilla.png
> |   I'm really curious which standards mozilla and opera
> |   supposedly don't support when msn doesn't even
> |   validate correctly and is therefore not "standards
> |   compliant":
> |   http://www.dylanschiemann.com/examples/msnValidation.html
> |   I know, this is probably off-topic, but it seemed
> |   relevant in light of all the recent discussion about
> |   building a fully css compliant browser.
> |
> |   -Dylan Schiemann
> |   http://www.sitepen.com/
> |   http://www.dylanschiemann.com/
>
> --
>
> Vadim Plessky
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>
Received on Friday, 26 October 2001 17:34:06 GMT

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