- From: Graham Klyne <GK@ninebynine.org>
- Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:34:39 +0100
- To: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>, www-rdf-interest@w3.org
At 15:29 20/09/04 +0200, Henry Story wrote:
>I have just come across a very well written paper by Harry Halpin and
>Henry S. Thompson called "Web Proper Names: Naming Referents on the Web"
>[1]. I don't feel comfortable with the proposed solution to the problem,
>but I do feel he has described the problem itself very well, and given a
>very good summary of the philosophical debate behind it.
>[1] http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~ht/webpropernames/
Nice paper. As you say, the issues are well exposed. Thanks for pointing
it out.
>Would it perhaps not be easier to extend RDF so that one can point to a
>resource in either way, for example by allowing the following:
>
><Entry rdf:about="http://www.paris.org/Monuments/Eiffel">
>or
><Entry rdf:refers="http://www.paris.org/Monuments/Eiffel">
I think that would be a grave mistake. It would devastate the currently
specified RDF semantics by introducing a whole new level of description
("theory of reference"?) into the underlying language. The Halpin/Thompson
paper at least keeps that issue separate from the core language. As they
say: "Unfortunately, no-one from professional logicians to philosophers of
consciousness have a solid idea about how we determine whether or not a
thing is actually about something else."
I, too, am not entirely comfortable with the proposed solution, but I will
note that it seems to have (some) similarities with two other expressed
viewpoints on this:
(1) Larry Masinter has proposed a new URI scheme that effectively adds the
indirection (tdb:, or "that described by") [2]. I think I prefer Larry's
approach of a simple URI scheme to leverage existing URI reference
structures rather than introducing a new wpn: URI scheme that seems to
embody and replicate much of the existing URI machinery.
[2] http://larry.masinter.net/duri.html
(2) Tim Berners-Lee's own position concerning http: URIs (see [3]) is to
suggest that they refer strictly to the web page of "information resource",
which I take to correspond to Halpin/Thompson's "expression", and further
dereference must be applied (e.g. using fragment identifiers) to arrive at
Halpin/Thompson's "denotation". (I'm uncomfortable about putting that much
burden on the sometimes-elusive fragment identifier.)
[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#httpRange-14
which indirectly refers to:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2002Mar/0092
#g
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