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Re: RDF vocabulary definitions - typology

From: Richard H. McCullough <rhm@cdepot.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:08:37 -0800
Message-ID: <001501c2948c$26b1bd30$bd7ba8c0@rhm8200>
To: "Vladimir Rykov" <rykov-ont@narod.ru>
Cc: "RDF-Interest" <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>
Let me first say that "inner properties" and "outer properties" are just properties, although the nature of the properties is apparently quite different.  "typology" is a third group of properties.  All three groups of properties -- inner, outer and typology -- are different properties of the same entities.

This sounds like multi-dimensional clustering, where "new", non-obvious properties (the "typology") are discovered by using various mathematical techniques for clustering the data in n-space.  There have been lots of papers written on such techniques.  I'm sorry that I don't have any specific papers or books to recommend; it's been too long since I have done any reading in the field.
============ 
Dick McCullough 
knowledge := man do identify od existent done
knowledge haspart list of proposition

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Vladimir Rykov 
  To: Richard H. McCullough 
  Cc: RDF-Interest 
  Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 5:38 AM
  Subject: RE: RDF vocabulary definitions - typology


  Outer properties in my case were Informative prose/Imaginative prose - then Newspaper articles - reportage, review, editorial (and other divisions and subdivisions of these two kinds of prose). One example - my computer told me that newspaper reportage according to its inner merits is in fiction cluster. I looked at this text - it was reportage about Kennedy inauguration ...

    In this book published in 70s or 80s the author treats as outer properties the descriptions of the place were the pieces were found. He assumes that some products (pots, jewelry) could be moved (bought, robbered) from one culture (i.e. place) to another. He compares these two classifications with remarkable results. He says that only such a kind of comparison makes classification really reasonable.

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: www-rdf-interest-request@w3.org [mailto:www-rdf-interest-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Richard H. McCullough
    Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:57 PM
    To: Vladimir Rykov
    Cc: m.spork@qut.edu.au; RDF-Interest
    Subject: Re: RDF vocabulary definitions - typology


    Your English is perfectly understandable.

    Your example of an inner property of text (number of pronouns) is clear.
    Could you give me some examples of outer properties, i.e., what are "genres" in this case?

    I assume that "typology" is the standard cross-classification of (inner properties) x (outer properties).
    ============ 
    Dick McCullough 
    knowledge := man do identify od existent done
    knowledge haspart list of proposition

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Vladimir Rykov 
      To: Richard H. McCullough ; m.spork@qut.edu.au ; www-rdf-interest@w3.org 
      Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 2:51 AM
      Subject: RE: RDF vocabulary definitions - typology



          Mr McCullough - you can find this book by its name. I forgotten the author. Not earlier then 80s.

         To the matter. 

         I explain how I used his idea. I had a corpus of texts classified into genres etc. It was outer classification. I took these texts and counted with computer their innner properties (the number of pronouns, etc) and I got a cluster classification tree. Then I compared it with outer classification. It was very informative. The French guy said that only this final classification is typology.

      The Author wrote (he is arche...ist) - "we dig remnants  ..." Actually they did the same. They try to classify what they digged in various places as if they do not know their origin. Then they compare their classification with outer classification - from which places the pieces of pots, jewelry were found. It was really remarkable and brought them lots of info.

       I did understand him - but I am not sure you'll understand my awful English.

       Vladimir Rykov
      PhD in Computational Linguistics
      rykov.narod.ru

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Richard H. McCullough [mailto:rhm@cdepot.net]
        Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:10 PM
        To: Vladimir Rykov; m.spork@qut.edu.au; www-rdf-interest@w3.org
        Subject: Re: RDF vocabulary definitions - typology


        I would have to hear some more details to be sure, but it sounds like the book is talking about intensive (properties of entities) and extensive (entities) classifications.  These two aspects of entities are really inseparable, so if you try to separate them you are apt to get nonsensical results.
        If this "typology" is something else, I'd like to hear more about it.
        ============ 
        Dick McCullough 
        knowledge := man do identify od existent done
        knowledge haspart list of proposition

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Vladimir Rykov 
          To: m.spork@qut.edu.au ; Richard H. McCullough ; www-rdf-interest@w3.org 
          Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 11:57 PM
          Subject: RE: RDF vocabulary definitions - typology


          If I may intrude into wise discussion.

            I read Russian translation of French book - Theoretical Archeology.

            The guy said there - there are two kinds of classifications - based on
          inner and outer features of objects. Then we compare/match these
          classifications. The result is a kind of super-classification called
          typology.

            Vladimir Rykov

           rykov.narod.ru
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