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RE: SV: API for RDF: locutor

From: Jeff Sussna <jeff.sussna@quokka.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:18:04 -0800
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To: "'Jean-Marc Vanel'" <jmvanel@free.fr>, Greg FitzPatrick <gf@medianet.org>
Cc: www-rdf-interest@w3.org
However, Webster's dictionary does define "interlocutor":
Main Entry: in·ter·loc·u·tor
Pronunciation: "in-t&r-'lä-ky&-t&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin interloqui to speak between, issue an interlocutory decree,
from inter- + loqui to speak
Date: 1514
1 : one who takes part in dialogue or conversation
2 : a man in the middle of the line in a minstrel show who questions the end
men and acts as leader 
I particularly like definition #2. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Marc Vanel [mailto:jmvanel@free.fr]
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 1:18 PM
To: Greg FitzPatrick
Cc: Jeff Sussna; www-rdf-interest@w3.org; Jean Marc VANEL
Subject: Re: SV: API for RDF: locutor

Here is what I found at : 

locuteur, trice n. 

    LING Sujet parlant. -- Personne qui parle (par oppos. à auditeur ). --
Locuteur de 
    l'espéranto: personne qui parle l'espéranto.

a definition that I translate this way: 

locutor    n. 

    LING Speaking Subject. -- Person who speaks (as opposed to auditor ). --
example: Locutor of 
    espéranto: a person speaking espéranto. 

I apologize because it doesn't seem to exist in english (although it is of
latin origin), at least on : 
http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict <http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict>  

I also tried (also inexistant): 

Someone in this wrote "model origin". But it is likely that you application
could merge several models, so each statement has an origin. 

So why not "statement origin" ? 

Greg FitzPatrick a écrit : 

Might I ask the origin of the word "locuter"? 


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> Ämne: RE: API for RDF: locutor 
> A very interesting point. I think you have identified another in a whole 
> universe of issues RDF doesn't explicitly address,

A whole universe! 
A would not be so pessimistic! 

> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jean-Marc Vanel [ mailto:jmvanel@free.fr <mailto:jmvanel@free.fr> ] 
> Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 11:43 PM 
> To: www-rdf-interest@w3.org; Jean Marc VANEL 
> Subject: API for RDF: locutor 
> David Megginson <david@megginson.com> write on 2000-02-25 : 
> Unfortunately, it's not about triples.  The only way to discover the 
> true RDF data model is to reverse-engineer it from the XML, and it 
> turns out that there are at least six components (not three) in each 
> statement: 
>   subject 
>   subjectType (global id, local id, URI pattern) 
>   predicate 
>   object 
>   objectType (literal text, literal XML markup, reference) 
>   objectLang 
> These are not simply syntactic artifacts -- it's information that 
> *must* be exposed through any RDF API ... 
> There's yet another very important item that is implicit in any RDF set of

> descriptions: it's the locutor. ....................

> The obvious design solution is that the locutor IS the URL (not URI here!)

> where our RDF 
> set of descriptions appears in. 
> So if a Web site S1 says about someone: 
> <looks>ugly</looks> 
> And another Web site S2 says about the same person: 
> <looks>handsome</looks> 
> My RDF application can decide, with a knowledge of which of 
> locutors  S1 and 
> S2 is trusted most.

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