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Fwd: aboutEach and reification

From: Aaron Swartz <me@aaronsw.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 17:41:03 -0500
To: "'www-Rdf-Comments@W3.Org'" <www-rdf-comments@w3.org>
Message-Id: <20010629224105.PAPU22639.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost>
On RDF-Interest, Jeremy brought up some RDF examples that look 
like they should be resolved by the spec/Working Group. I 
believe that these cases reveal an issue with the spec, and that 
it should probably be resolved by the Working Group. Feedback is 

  - Aaron

 From: "Jeremy Carroll" <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Tue Jun 26, 2001  11:06:17  AM US/Central
To: <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>
Subject: aboutEach and reification

I, foolishly, am looking at writing another RDF parser. (ARP?).

In my design stages I stumbled across this little teaser:

what statements does the following correspond:

<rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="..." xmlns:a="...">
   <rdf:Description aboutEach="#self" bagId="self">

[The ... are uri's]

or we can make it a little richer with:

<rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="..." xmlns:a="...">
   <rdf:Description aboutEach="#self" bagId="self">
   <rdf:Description about="#self">
     <rdf:_1 rdf:resource="http://bertrand-russell-lives.org/">

One reading of M&S would say that this second description has an 
"#self" is a bag, it includes at least one member,

This resource is hence one of the distributive referent of 
and so we add the statement model, and add its reification to the bag
"#self". The reification is anonymous, and since it is in 
"#self" it is one
of the distributive referent and so ...
ad infinitum.

A different reading is suggested by naming the reification of a 
with a distributive referent.

<rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="..." xmlns:a="...">
   <rdf:Description aboutEach="#other" bagId="self">
     <a:prop ID="ex">value</a:prop>
   <rdf:Bag ID="other>
     <rdf:li rdf:resource="http://bertrand-russell-lives.org/a1"/>
     <rdf:li rdf:resource="http://bertrand-russell-lives.org/a2"/>

Then do we have two rdf:subject's for the reification "#ex".
the bag "#self" can have only one member with uri "#ex" is there 
a second
member corresponding to the second member of "#other" or is 
there just one
member corresponding to the single statement "#ex" in the description.

We could read reification within an aboutEach as generating one 
resource per
property in the description, with one subject for each subject in the
distributive referent.

Enjoy ...

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