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Re: Draft Minutes QAWG Teleconference: 22 December 2004

From: Dimitris Dimitriadis <dimitris@ontologicon.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:55:47 +0200
Message-Id: <175EF0D6-544B-11D9-948C-000D93324858@ontologicon.com>
Cc: www-qa-wg@w3.org
To: Lynne Rosenthal <lynne.rosenthal@nist.gov>

All,

A quick remark; I wasn't called in as I usually am, so I suspected the  
telcon had been called off.

Best,

/Dimitris

On 22 Dec 2004, at 19:04, Lynne Rosenthal wrote:

  Comments and corrections welcome:


  QA Working Group Teleconference
  Wednesday, 21 December 2004
   
  Scribe: Lynne
   
  Attendees:


(TB) Tim Boland (NIST)

(PC) Patrick Curran (Sun Microsystems)
  (KD) Karl Dubost (W3C, Chair)
  (LH) Lofton Henderson (CGMO)
  (LR) Lynne Rosenthal (NIST)
  (MS) Mark Skall (NIST)
   
  (DM) David Marston (IBM)
   
  Regrets:
  (DH) Dominique Hazaël-Massieux (W3C)
   
  Absent:
  (DD) Dimitris Dimitriadis (Ontologicon)
  (RK) Richard Kennedy (Boeing)
   
  Summary of New Action Items:
  AI-20041221-01:
  AI-20041221-02:
  AI-20041221-03:
   
  Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2004Dec/0047.html
  Previous Telcon Minutes:   
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2004Dec/0032.html
   
  Minutes:
  1) Roll call
  2) Routine Business
  Next teleconferences:
              29 Dec – cancelled. 
              5 Jan – discuss implementation report status and results
              12 Jan – Topic open
              19 Jan – cancelled
              26 Jan – review of SpecGL issues (Last Call ends 28 Jan)
  Tech Plenary – registration open.
   
  3. Versioning (Lynne and Karl lead)
  Should we address versioning?  Agreed that we will not include  
versioning in current version of SpecGL. However, we should address it  
and can start working on it now. It can be included in either future  
SpecGL, working papers and/or Wiki.  There is overlap with the TAG –  
will need to distinguish what would be our value added in addressing  
versioning. 
   
  Discussion: David is in favor of exploring versioning and including  
more in a future SpecGL.  It is type of DOV.  Since we already have  
deprecation, we already have touched a bit on versioning [1].  Lynne  
agrees that it is a good next topic for the WG and wants to make sure  
there is value added between what we do and what the TAG addresses.   
Karl gave background and also, via examples (CSS) showed how this is a  
real problem that needs to be addressed.  It makes sense to address the  
ability of a spec to move forward and have next version and how do you  
organize the technology.  How do you put versioning into a document  
that doesn’t have versioning (e.g., CSS) For example, the  parser  
doesn’t know which version of CSS it is using – no clear indicator. 
   
  Overlap with the TAG.  Spec should address how to handle versioning.   
Not understand how this is applicable to all specifications, e.g., WCAG  
– how does it apply when looking at content.  Understand how this  
applies to markup language.  May not apply to every type of  
specification.
     
  4. FAQ: Test Document. (Patrick lead)
  New draft FAQ circulated [3].  Patrick reviewed document, pointing out  
differences between this version and the previous version, as well as  
reviewing the last several questions.  Continue working on document  
which will eventually be published in QA space.
   
  Discussion: Ways to indicate progress – some groups use A+, but have  
abandoned this.  Another way is to indicate the absolute number of  
tests.  You are either conforming or you are not.  Only way to explain  
this well, is to open the question of certification. Patrick will add  
an additional question on branding.  There are W3C icons – the right to  
put an icon on a web page. Self-certification.
   
  Where we go with this? Is this the right level of detail?  Need more  
examples, e.g., here is an example of a WG that has done this, point to  
templates, other existing tools.  Will be published in QA space.  
   
  5. Adjourn.
  Happy Holidays and a Merry New Year!
   
  [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2004Dec/0035.html
  [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2004Dec/0042.html
[3]  
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2004Dec/att-0046/TestFAQ 
-20041221.html
   
   
   
   
  
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