- From: Bullard, Claude L (Len) <clbullar@ingr.com>
- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 10:29:14 -0500
- To: Jonathan Borden <jborden@mediaone.net>, "Steven R. Newcomb" <srn@coolheads.com>
- Cc: www-patentpolicy-comment@w3.org, xml-dev@lists.xml.org
I have a hard time understanding positions that force one group into domination by another and call that moral or public interest particularly if that position changes when the IP is theirs. I shall anxiously await the Oracle and HP responses to working groups formed to standardize technologies in which they hold patents. My experience is that the rules are changed to suit the convenience of those who make the rules particularly if they can rewrite the history just as conveniently. Mine is the objectivist position with respect to that politic. Otherwise I don't disagree with you. Those who claimed XML would promote balkanization have been proven wrong. Still,the W3C acceptance or imprimatur may be irrelevant to the success of the product on the Internet. Flash is a good example. The WWW user adopts this because it works. Again, "running code" so the practice is in accordance with WWW tradition: develop and colonize while exhorting benefits such as simplicity and ubiquity. One is relieved of the need to embrace extend and extinguish and the W3C does not have the option to adopt what may be a superior technology. Proprietariness may or may not require associated IPR: it only requires closed source but closed source does not prevent standardization. It can defeat adoption. I believe the companies will accept RF RAND as long as it is understood they will pursue other means to promote working product that does interoperate at the lower levels of the open standards. This is as Tim says, a reasonable outcome. I think everyone should understand the consequences of that to the content and that it will be acceptable by policy. len -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Borden [mailto:jborden@mediaone.net] Len [much clipped] > > The issue which undergirds many of the > arguments is cost. Tim Bray mentions the "toll" > to get on the Internet. Others talk about open > source as if it were a free goldmine for those > that can exploit the potential (eg, RedHat). > For the underfunded developer, open source and > royalty free standards and specifications are a > means to become BigCos (again, RedHat). However, > the cost of creating these is still real and > in some cases, significant. One has to ask > if the public interest is a compelling enough > argument to require a company that finances its > research and receives patents to support the > RedHats of the world. > > The other issue is complexity. Complexity is > an effective barrier to entry into a market. I also have a hard time understanding what you are writing much of the time but we can start with this snippet. The issue to me is: If a company, has a patented piece of _proprietary_ technology (and I would say that one of the prerequisites of a technology being proprietary is that it has associated IPR), and that organization wishes to _promote_ its technology as being some sort of internet "standard", or as being a recommended practice, then the technology should be unencumbered. That is the _cost_ to the organization of getting rest of the WWW community to adopt its technology. No one is forcing anyone to relinquish their IPR, rather if one desires ones particular technology (and realize that these little bits of software are generally useless on their own, rather _depend_ on the Internet infrastructure which is largely unencumbered, for their _value_) if one desires their technology to become part of the internet standard practice, then there are costs associated with this. In any case, this is the tradition of the internet, so if an organization doesn't like the rules, it is free to sell its software in a box. If the W3C cannot understand it, it cannot be considered the organization that sets (de facto) internet standards.
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