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RE: MathML-in-HTML5

From: Paul Topping <pault@dessci.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:07:54 -0700
Message-ID: <D1EFB337111B674B8F1BE155B01C6DD6013A765F@franklin.corp.dessci>
To: "Ian Hickson" <ian@hixie.ch>
Cc: <www-math@w3.org>, <dev-tech-mathml@lists.mozilla.org>

How can HTML5 be the next version of "everyday tag soup HTML" without
actually accepting tag soup documents? 

Once HTML5 support is built into Mozilla, can I modify my tag soup HTML
page (ie, one with soupy tags that requires de facto HTML browser
behavior) by simply adding new stuff to make use of HTML5-only features?
Or do I have to also correct my soupy tags?

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Hickson [mailto:ian@hixie.ch] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 5:45 PM
> To: Paul Topping
> Cc: www-math@w3.org; dev-tech-mathml@lists.mozilla.org
> Subject: RE: MathML-in-HTML5
> 
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Paul Topping wrote:
> >
> > So do you expect browsers like Mozilla and IE to accept 
> HTML5 and handle 
> > it as defined by your spec?
> 
> In due course. It won't happen overnight by any means; indeed 
> the spec is 
> far from ready and there are several major known issues with 
> the spec as 
> currently written.
> 
> 
> > I'm going to guess that your answer is yes for Mozilla but 
> no or "not my 
> > problem" for IE.
> 
> If IE doesn't get on board, the whole affair is rather a 
> waste of time. 
> The browser with the largest chunk of market share is our 
> biggest problem.
> 
> 
> > If so, won't Mozilla have to have 3 parsers and renderers, one for 
> > tag-soup HTML, one for XHTML, and one for HTML5?
> 
> The "tag soup HTML" parser is the HTML5 parser (or vice 
> versa, depending 
> on how you look at it). The "XHTML" parser is just the XML parser.
> 
> 
> > Regardless of whether the above is right or wrong, it 
> sounds like you 
> > are saying that adding MathML or <math> to HTML5 is not 
> going to give us 
> > MathML support in everyday tag soup HTML.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by "everyday tag soup HTML" as 
> distinct from 
> HTML5. HTML5, as proposed, is merely the next version of 
> "everyday tag 
> soup HTML" (except that it would no longer be "tag soup" since the 
> processing model would be well-defined and interoperable 
> across browsers).
> 
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