From: Paul Topping <pault@dessci.com>

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:14:00 -0700

Message-ID: <46566A3075DDD311969100E0811031EC0559B375@euclid.dessci>

To: 'Paul Libbrecht' <paul@dfki.de>, "'www-math@w3.org'" <www-math@w3.org>

Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:14:00 -0700

Message-ID: <46566A3075DDD311969100E0811031EC0559B375@euclid.dessci>

To: 'Paul Libbrecht' <paul@dfki.de>, "'www-math@w3.org'" <www-math@w3.org>

The W3C Workshop on Web Applications and Compound Documents (http://www.w3.org/2004/04/webapps-cdf-ws/index.html) might be a good venue in which to at least get started on a standards-based plugin architecture capable enough to support MathML plugins like MathPlayer. Paul Topping Design Science, Inc. www.dessci.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Libbrecht [mailto:paul@dfki.de] > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:00 AM > To: www-math@w3.org > Subject: Re: support of MathML in Safari? > > > > I know that Safari rendering engine is entirely based on WebCore, > itself an open-source extension, rewrapping, and port of KDE's > Konqueror. > These two are open-source so I would presume it should be relatively > doable to get into the code and arrange for a linking between > MathPlayer and WebCore. > And if all goes well, there would even be the chance to actually port > MathPlayer to Linux and other KDE ports. > > WebCore: > http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/webcore/index.html > Konqueror: > http://konqueror.kde.org/ > > paul > > PS: Netscape has been trying to establish a comittee to revise the > notion of plugins after the M$IE behaviours came out... did > no-one had > an echo of the development of such a comittee ? > > > On 12-Apr-04, at 19:10 Uhr, Paul Topping wrote: > > My thoughts would be to establish a plug-in interface that > was general > > enough to handle XML-based extensions, such as MathML and SVG. It > > would have > > similar functionality to the ones that MathPlayer uses in Internet > > Explorer > > (but better, of course): > > > > - A mechanism (possibly user controllable) would allow the > association > > of > > plugin software with a particular namespace URI (eg, MathML > or SVG). A > > MathPlayer installer would make this association for MathML. > > > > - Based on the above mechanism, Safari would invoke the > plugin on each > > instance of <math>, passing it a DOM interface starting at > that node. > > > > - During layout, Safari would call the plugin with ambient > properties, > > such > > as font, point size, text color, etc. The plugin would lay out the > > equation > > and return the dimensions of the equation, as well as baseline and > > side-bearings. > > > > - During display (and print), Safari would call the plugin > with some > > kind of > > display (print) context, and the plugin would perform graphics > > operations to > > draw the equation. > > > > Hopefully, there would also be other interfaces to support > such things > > as > > interaction (mouse clicks, menus) and accessibility. It > would possibly > > make > > sense to make this kind of plugin into some kind of > standard, although > > it > > might not be within the W3C's scope. > > > > Although MathPlayer obviously has Windows and IE-dependent > code, it is > > largely platform-independent code that uses library for > which me have > > a Mac > > implementation. So, with any luck, it should be too much work. > > > > Paul > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Daniel Jamous [mailto:jamous@MIT.EDU] > >> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 6:11 AM > >> To: Paul Topping > >> Cc: 'www-math@w3.org' > >> Subject: RE: support of MathML in Safari? > >> > >> > >> Dear Paul, > >> > >> Thank you very much for your response. > >> > >> I will try to see if there's anything we can do in this regard. > >> > >> Just a follow-up question: from a technical point of view, > >> what would be the requirements for Safari to be able to > >> support MathPlayer? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Daniel > >> > >> At 02:27 PM 4/8/2004 -0700, Paul Topping wrote: > >>> Daniel, > >>> > >>> We at Design Science would like to help in this effort. We > >> would like > >>> to be able to create a version of MathPlayer that works > >> inside Safari > >>> and offer it for free just as we do for Internet Explorer. > >> We have been > >>> in contact with someone at Apple that has promised to put us > >> in contact > >>> with the Safari team but that has not happened yet. Last > >> time I looked, > >>> Safari had not committed to supporting XML or to a > plug-in interface > >>> rich enough to make MathPlayer possible. But these things > >> should not be > >>> insurmountable barriers and the sooner we start addressing > >> them the better. > >>> > >>> The best thing that you and others on the www-math list > can do is to > >>> tell the Safari people how important MathML support in > Safari is. I > >>> suspect that MathML support is somewhere on a long wish list > >> of Safari enhancements. > >>> Input from parties other than those who stand to profit from the > >>> success of MathML can help move it higher on that list. > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Paul Topping email: pault@dessci.com > >>> President phone: 562-433-0685 > >>> http://www.dessci.com > >> Design Science, > >>> Inc. > >>> "How Science Communicates" > >>> MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, Equation Editor, TeXaide > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Daniel Jamous [mailto:jamous@MIT.EDU] > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:29 PM > >>>> To: www-math@w3.org > >>>> Subject: support of MathML in Safari? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I'm just wondering if anyone knows whether there are plans to > >>>> support MathML in future versions of Apple's browser Safari. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for any info you can share. > >>>> > >>>> Daniel Jamous > >>>> Academic Computing -- MIT > >>>> > >> > > >Received on Sunday, 18 April 2004 19:14:57 UTC

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