- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:17:44 +0100
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
28 Aug 2014
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Aug/0044.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Addison, Richard, Leandro, JcK, David
Regrets
Felix
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]Review RADAR
5. [9]Encoding LC
6. [10]IRI and miscelleny
7. [11]AOB?
* [12]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
Agenda
Action Items
[13]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[13] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
close action-327
<trackbot> Closed action-327.
close action-331
<trackbot> Closed action-331.
close action-333
<trackbot> Closed action-333.
Info Share
richard: just this second
... uploaded a new indic layout requirements draft
... published new pre-defined counter styles
... so look at that if interested as well
<r12a> [14]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/indic-layout/
[14] http://www.w3.org/International/docs/indic-layout/
<r12a> [15]http://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/
[15] http://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/
richard: on 7th of sept going to china
... meeting about chinese layout requirements
... includes minority language
... community members
Review RADAR
[16]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
Encoding LC
[17]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html
[17] http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html
richard: logistical issues publishing if I'm traveling the 7th
... will have a call with PLH, requires addison also
... need to close off all issues
<r12a>
[18]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-355
[18]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-355
<r12a> verified ok
<r12a>
[19]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-371
[19]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-371
(discussion of 371)
richard: write back to Martin and check if he is now satisfied
addison: will do
<scribe> ACTION: addison: write back to martin to verify
satisfaction on encoding 371 [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-334 - Write back to martin to verify
satisfaction on encoding 371 [on Addison Phillips - due
2014-09-04].
<r12a>
[21]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-372
[21]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-372
addison: nudge martin on 372 also
<r12a>
[22]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-373
[22]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-373
richard: probably count as verified
<r12a> ACTION: Richard to note that 373 is verified [recorded
in [23]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-335 - Note that 373 is verified [on
Richard Ishida - due 2014-09-04].
[24]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-374
[24]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-374
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014J
ulSep/0195.html
[25]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014JulSep/0195.html
leandro: will contact larry masinter to follow up
... send you the email
[26]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-26256
[26]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26256
<r12a>
[27]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-26256
[27]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26256
<scribe> ACTION: addison: write to josh bell to confirm
satisfaction on 26256 [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-336 - Write to josh bell to confirm
satisfaction on 26256 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
<r12a>
[29]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-385
[29]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-385
[30]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-385
[30]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-385
richard: done, spec changed
... ask Ken if any objections?
<scribe> ACTION: addison: write back to Ken+Unicode+PLH to
confirm satisfaction on 386 [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-337 - Write back to ken+unicode+plh
to confirm satisfaction on 386 [on Addison Phillips - due
2014-09-04].
<r12a>
[32]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-26154
[32]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26154
<scribe> ACTION: write to anne on 26154 for status [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Error finding 'write'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[34]http://www.w3.org/International/track/users>.
[34] http://www.w3.org/International/track/users%3E.
<scribe> ACTION: addison: write to anne 26154 for sstatus
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-338 - Write to anne 26154 for sstatus
[on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
<r12a>
[36]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-xxx
[36]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-xxx
richard: ralph swick mentioned first
... as an issue andrew raised
... write ot andrew offline
... he was much clearer in his response
... he was of opinion that we should close
... wrote back to get quote from him
... not yet replied
<r12a> [37]http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1129
[37] http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1129
richard: that's a link you can read that sort of covers it
addison: orthogonal because it is all utf-8
<r12a> here's my take on whether this is an issue: thank you
for raising this issue, which is well worth noting, however the
Encoding spec is attempting to document and make interoperable
current browser support for non-Unicode encodings (it only
refers to a subset of the current non-Unicode encodings), and
and otherwise persuade everyone to move to correct use of UTF-8
encoded Unicode. For that reason, addressing the concerns you
raise would be out of scope for the spec.
addison: call it out of scope
<scribe> ACTION: richard: follow up further with andrew to
confirm that issue-xxx is out of scope [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-339 - Follow up further with andrew
to confirm that issue-xxx is out of scope [on Richard Ishida -
due 2014-09-04].
addison: any outside concerns we're missing?
richard: don't think so
jck: john cowan pointed out that there are developing
practices, particuarly for unencoded minority languages
... something to be aware of
richard: get unicode to say something?
jck: getting them to say something would be best
... respond to cowan that way?
... and copy ken/mark?
richard: addison/self can raise at unicode ed comm.
<scribe> ACTION: addison: raise unencoded scripts issue with
unicode [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-340 - Raise unencoded scripts issue
with unicode [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
[40]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-26646
[40]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26646
richard: I am satisfied
[41]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-26655
[41]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26655
<scribe> ACTION: addison: write to mathis bynens for
satisfaction on 26655 [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-341 - Write to mathis bynens for
satisfaction on 26655 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
[43]http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.
html#issue-26685
[43]
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26685
richard: no intent to raise a formal objection
addison: encoding next items
These bugs existed before the Last Call, mostly for quite a
long time before. Anne does not expect to resolve any
outstanding bugs in this list before mid September. He believes
that too much research and work is involved. These, then, where
not closed, are items to be considered for Encoding.next.
addison: any objection to our resolution on these?
richard: next steps
... 1. close down issues
... 2. agree transition review date
... 3. week before richard to send transition request
... 4. prepare
... 5. transition review
... 6. then announce (assuming survival of 5)
... some new versions of martin's tests
... spent a large part of weekend on them
<r12a> Links to new tests for single-byte encodings:
<r12a>
[44]http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/encoding/i
ndexes/results-indexes.en.php
[44]
http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/encoding/indexes/results-indexes.en.php
richard: shows where browsers pass/fail
... ibm866 not passing for chrome and
... chrome plans to fix
... orange stuff in ff column
... bug raised against mozilla
... expect them to fix
... only remaining issue is IE
<r12a>
[45]http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/encoding/i
ndexes/results-aliases
[45]
http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/encoding/indexes/results-aliases
richard: shouldn't prevent us transitiontion
... also produced the above
... also tests all of the aliases
... apart from IE, pretty good
... rewrote martins tests, so now different from his original
tests
leandro: did you see response from larry
richard: will try again
IRI and miscelleny
[46]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/IRIStatus
[46] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/IRIStatus
richard: lots of folks looking at it
jck: could be controversial in same was as encoding
richard: should sync with url folks
... dan applequist
<r12a> esp Daniel Appelquist
<scribe> ACTION: addison: write to Daniel Appelquist about IRI
wiki page seeking input [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-342 - Write to daniel appelquist
about iri wiki page seeking input [on Addison Phillips - due
2014-09-04].
leandro: will look at it
AOB?
richard: jens asserts that machines should do language
detection
... will respond, challenging the basis of his argument
<r12a>
[48]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2014JulSep/0
136.html
[48]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2014JulSep/0136.html
<r12a> [49]http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/62
[49] http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/62
[50]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/384
[50] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/384
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: raise unencoded scripts issue with
unicode [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write back to Ken+Unicode+PLH to confirm
satisfaction on 386 [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write back to martin to verify
satisfaction on encoding 371 [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write to anne 26154 for sstatus
[recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write to Daniel Appelquist about IRI
wiki page seeking input [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write to josh bell to confirm
satisfaction on 26256 [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: write to mathis bynens for satisfaction
on 26655 [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Richard to note that 373 is verified [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: follow up further with andrew to confirm
that issue-xxx is out of scope [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: write to anne on 26154 for status [recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
[End of minutes]
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