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Re: I18N-ISSUE-214: directionality should be made normative, with informative additions [.prep-ITS-20]

From: Norbert Lindenberg <w3@norbertlindenberg.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 16:49:14 -0800
Cc: Norbert Lindenberg <w3@norbertlindenberg.com>, Internationalization Working Group <www-international@w3.org>, Internationalization Working Group Issue Tracker <sysbot+tracker@w3.org>
Message-Id: <CF95F43A-21E6-4CC5-9B51-6DD590AA984A@norbertlindenberg.com>
To: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
A few more tweaks:

- from the that -> from that

- <bdo>פעילות הבינאום, W3C</bdo -> <bdo direction='rtlText'>פעילות הבינאום, W3C</bdo>

Norbert


On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:12 , Richard Ishida wrote:

> Here are some proposals, which have been passed by the i18n telecon. They are mostly from Norbert, with a few tweaks from me.
> 
> - Remove "This section is informative."
> 
> - Replace the first Note with: "At the time of writing, enhancements are being discussed in the context of HTML5 that are expected to change the approach to marking up directionality, in particular to support content whose directionality needs to be isolated from the that of surrounding content. However, these enhancements are not finalized yet. This section therefore reflects directionality markup in HTML 4; enhancements in HTML5 will be reflected in a future revision."
> 
> - In 8.5.2, add a Note to the description of LOCAL use: "HTML does not have the "lro" and "rlo" values for its dir attribute, so these values are not used for HTML documents. HTML uses an inline bdo element instead."
> 
> - Enhance example 46 with use of "rlo": Add to the description ", except that bdo elements with that attribute have right-to-left override content". Add a second rule: '<its:dirRule dir="rlo" selector="//bdo[@direction='rtlText']"/>'.
> 
> Then add to example 45 by extending the textual content to say:
> <par>In Hebrew, the title <quote xml:lang="he" direction="rtlText">פעילות
>        הבינאום, W3C</quote> means <quote>Internationalization Activity,
>        W3C</quote>, and the order of characters is <bdo>פעילות הבינאום, W3C</bdo.</par>
> 
> - In the Note in 8.5.1, correct the value of the third bullet to "lro", and the description in the fourth bullet to "right-to-left override".
> 
> - In Appendix A, add a normative reference to HTML 4.01.
> 
> 
> Hope that helps,
> RI
> 
> 
> 
> On 16/01/2013 18:23, Internationalization Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
>> I18N-ISSUE-214: directionality should be made normative, with informative additions [.prep-ITS-20]
>> 
>> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/214
>> 
>> Raised by: Richard Ishida
>> On product: .prep-ITS-20
>> 
>> 8.5 Directionality
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-its20-20121206/#directionality
>> 
>> Since the section on directionality is unchanged from ITS 1.0, and since some implementers are addressing directionality in reference implementations, this section should be normative.
>> 
>> It may benefit from a non-normative note or section that explains how changes are likely in the near future, and the exact form of those changes is currently under discussion in the i18n, HTML and CSS Working Groups. The changes are expected to include ways of specifying isolation when setting base direction, which will likely supercede the ltr and rtl values as the default. A future version of ITS should address those changes.
>> 
>> [This comment not checked by i18n WG, but based on telecon discussions.]
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> 
> -- 
> Richard Ishida
> W3C
> http://rishida.net/
> 
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