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From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:49:07 +0000
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

21 Nov 2012

    [2]Agenda

       [2] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Nov/0013.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/11/21-i18n-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Addison_Phillips, matial, fsasaki, Richard, Norbert

    Regrets
           David

    Chair
           Addison Phillips

    Scribe
           Addison Phillips

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Agenda and Minutes
          2. [6]Action Items
          3. [7]Info Share
          4. [8]ITS 2.0 LC review
          5. [9]Bidi in HTML5 blog post
          6. [10]Rework bidi articles
          7. [11]BOM article rewrite
          8. [12]Number formats in HTML5
          9. [13]AOB?
      * [14]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

Agenda and Minutes

Action Items

    close ACTION-139

    <trackbot> ACTION-139 Update qa-byte-order-mark document closed

    close ACTION-148

    <trackbot> ACTION-148 Write to Korean folks and ask them to
    consider bringing work to our activity closed

    <r12a> [15]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

      [15] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

Info Share

    richard: if you want to speak at/attend MLWeb conf in Rome,
    send application now

ITS 2.0 LC review

    felix: making you aware that they want to go to LC Dec 4 or Dec
    11
    ... so features need to be complete and with ed staff in next
    two weeks
    ... have a plan for a f2f meeting in prague 23-24 January

    <matial> I would like to have the bidi stuff next, since I must
    leave in 20 mns

    felix: can richard perhaps participate

Bidi in HTML5 blog post

    [16]http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Html-bidi-isolation

      [16] http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Html-bidi-isolation

    richard: proposal to have a blog post
    ... aharon wrote most
    ... includes new attrs
    ... and things we discussed in html wg
    ... aharon not convinced that suggestions are all valid
    ... such as css being used to get around backwards compat
    ... need to add more info about backwards compat
    ... and that aharon and I think rli/lri are good values for
    @dir
    ... need to decide where to publish
    ... please look at it

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: remind everyone to review
    Html-bidi-isolation blog post for next week [recorded in
    [17]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/21-i18n-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-160 - Remind everyone to review
    Html-bidi-isolation blog post for next week [on Addison
    Phillips - due 2012-11-28].

    mati: read about 2/3 of it
    ... like it, buy the arguments

Rework bidi articles

    [18]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012N
    ov/0012.html
    [19]http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/new-bidi-xhtml/Ov
    erview-inline-2.en.php

      [18] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2012Nov/0012.html
      [19] 
http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/new-bidi-xhtml/Overview-inline-2.en.php

    richard: if you scroll down you see pink background bits
    ... these cover html5
    ... propose that
    ... this document proposes that you use markup everywhere dir
    changes
    ... propose that we hide the html5 stuff for now
    ... because html5 is still changing

    addison: want to ensure that markup should be consistent going
    forwards

    norbert: any breaking changes?

    richard: shouldn't be
    ... don't want to say <bdi><cite> if we then change to <cite
    dir="rli">
    ... also changed some of article structure
    ... added some of norbert's suggestions and such
    ... old structure was more complicated
    ... so simplified

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: remind everyone to review
    new-bidi-xhtml document for next week [recorded in
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/21-i18n-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-161 - Remind everyone to review
    new-bidi-xhtml document for next week [on Addison Phillips -
    due 2012-11-28].

BOM article rewrite

    [21]http://www.org/International/questions/new/qa-byte-order-ma
    rk-new.en.php

      [21] 
http://www.org/International/questions/new/qa-byte-order-mark-new.en.php

    richard: similar story here
    ... think this is ready for wide review
    ... perhaps look at it first
    ... want to incorporate any additional issues folks are aware
    of
    ... may want to deprecate the other article we have

    <r12a>
    [22]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-bom

      [22] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-bom

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: remind everyone to review
    qa-byte-order-mark-new for next week [recorded in
    [23]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/21-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-162 - Remind everyone to review
    qa-byte-order-mark-new for next week [on Addison Phillips - due
    2012-11-28].

    richard: above link is article to obsolete

Number formats in HTML5

    [24]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17918

      [24] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17918

    [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2012O
    ctDec/0074.html

      [25] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2012OctDec/0074.html

    For example, a user agent might support numeric input in the
    user's local format, converting it to the format required for
    submission as described above. This might include handling
    different grouping or decimal separators (such as "12.456,78",
    as customary in many European locales) or local digit shaping
    (such as the use of digits in Arabic, Persian, Devanagari,
    Thai, and other scripts) or a combination thereof.

    [26]http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage
    /states-of-the-type-attribute.html#number-state-(type=number

      [26] 
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/states-of-the-type-attribute.html#number-state-(type=number

    norbert: concerned about:

    User agents must not allow the user to set the value to a
    non-empty string that is not a valid floating-point number. If
    the user agent provides a user interface for selecting a
    number, then the value must be set to the best representation
    of the number representing the user's selection as a
    floating-point number. User agents should allow the user to set
    the value to the empty string.

    "user agents must not interpret user input to set the value to
    a non-empty string that is not a valid..."

    "user agents must not interpret input..."

    "user agents must not set the value..."

    user's input not desired in the conversation, it's just the
    user-agent's interactoin with the value

    richard: "the internal representation of the value supplied by
    the user"

    value => string

    12345,67

    <input lang=fr type=numeric>

    scribe: but browser is set to spanish... then fr should win

    123.456

    123,456

AOB?

    norbert: will send an email about things to be careful about in
    uts35

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: remind everyone to review
    Html-bidi-isolation blog post for next week [recorded in
    [27]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/21-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: addison: remind everyone to review new-bidi-xhtml
    document for next week [recorded in
    [28]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/21-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: addison: remind everyone to review
    qa-byte-order-mark-new for next week [recorded in
    [29]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/21-i18n-minutes.html#action03]

    [End of minutes]





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Richard Ishida
Internationalization Activity Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)

http://www.w3.org/International/
http://rishida.net/
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