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Re: Ruby in HTML5

From: Suzumizaki-Kimikata <szmml@h12u.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:11:40 +0900
Cc: <www-international@w3.org>, <public-html-ig-jp@w3.org>
Message-Id: <20100310081140.2130688a.szmml@h12u.com>
Following 1) 2) uses simple ruby, 3) emulates complex one.

1) Why don't you know "Kid's goo", automatically Japanese Ruby
Generator for kids?

Original:
http://kids.goo.ne.jp/index.html?&SY=2&MD=2
Ruby-ed:
http://kids.goo.ne.jp/index.html?&SY=0&MD=2

The first input area is for search. Not only the search result, but
also the site linked would be ruby-annotated.

The site has given this feature for 9 years(starts July 2001).
The press release about begging service(written in Japanese, "Heisei 13
nen" means 2001) is below:

http://help.goo.ne.jp/info/detail/86/


2) I found another automatically generator below:
http://www.hiragana.jp/

This site is more simple and seems "not gagged" like kid's goo. :)
and also, the ruby-ed result can show with Opera, Firefox3, Lunascape,
Google Chrome and Safari4!

For Example:
http://trans.hiragana.jp/ruby/http://www.mext.go.jp/


3) In the list public-html-ig-jp@w3.org, I told the site emulating
complex ruby.

http://suika.fam.cx/~wakaba/wiki/sw/n/%E6%8E%92%E4%BB%96%E7%9A%84XML%E6%AD%A3%E6%BA%96%E5%8C%96

Actually, the site uses very simple CSS3, thus the style may not treat
the case that the ruby makes line breaking. And the site doesn't use
complex ruby elements/tags by the reason probably not supported by any
browsers.


-- 
Suzumizaki-Kimitaka <szmml@h12u.com>


On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 08:50:46 -0000
"Richard Ishida" <ishida@w3.org> wrote:

> Yesterday I was pointed to http://philip.html5.org/demos/html/ruby/wild-examples.html where Philip Taylor listed some examples of ruby use in the wild.
> 
> I had a quick look.
> 
> There are 12 pages cited.  
> 
> 2 contain only broken markup fragments, so I think we should ignore them.
> 
> 1 is Chinese and attempts to produce Bopomofo ruby, using some additional techniques.
> 
> The remaining 9 sites are Japanese, and of those 7 use the <rb> tag - and therefore are following the XHTML model rather than the HTML5 model.
> 
> None attempts to use complex ruby (which is not surprising, given the current level of support in browsers).
> 
> All of the pages found were HTML except one, which had an XHTML1 doctype (which again is not surprising, given implementation support for xhtml1.1).
> 
> Unfortunately, the list is a little old by the look of things - 1 site no longer exists and 2 no longer use ruby. Does anyone have a similar, up-to-date list, or could you make one?
> 
> 
> RI
> 
> 
> PS: We should also remember that ruby is not exclusively for use by Japanese and Chinese users.  Anecdotally, here are a couple of links where people are using for glosses in other languages (and actually wanting to use complex ruby, if they could).
> http://www.user.uni-hannover.de/nhtcapri/ruby-annotation.html
> http://www.alanflavell.org.uk/www/umusalu.html
> 
> 
> PPS: Here is a list of sites pointed to by Philips list:
> 
> Using <rb>
> http://www.daiyama.co.jp/    HTML4
> http://www.city.kawasaki.jp/25/25zinken/home/kidspage/    HTML4
> http://contest2.thinkquest.jp/tqj2003/60224/   no doctype  
> http://www.nanbyou.or.jp/sikkan/063.htm HTML4
> http://www.city.otake.hiroshima.jp/kids/  no doctype  
> http://www.nagano.ac.jp/   xhtml1 (this page no longer uses ruby)
> http://www.tcp-ip.or.jp/~jswc3242/  no doctype  (this page no longer uses ruby)
> 
> Not using <rb>
> http://www.pref.nagasaki.jp/toukei/kids/  html4
> http://www.geocities.co.jp/Hollywood-Spotlight/2135/  page no longer exists
> 
> Bopomofo
> http://za455.myweb.hinet.net/ html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ============
> Richard Ishida
> Internationalization Lead
> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
> 
> http://www.w3.org/International/
> http://rishida.net/
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