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Re: Bengali Locale Specific Data (RFC 3066)

From: Goutam Kumar Saha <goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:46:39 +0530
Message-ID: <013d01c68899$e6659a70$5880a8c0@GKS>
To: "souravm" <SOURAVM@infosys.com>, <www-international@w3.org>
Hi Sourav,
Another example, for English word "tell"- Ka (Bangali), Bolo (Radhi); "shall tell" - Kamu (Bangla), Bolbo (Radhi) and so on . There are so many such sea-differences in words.
Regards,
Goutam
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: souravm 
  To: Goutam Kumar Saha ; www-international@w3.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 5:01 PM
  Subject: RE: Bengali Locale Specific Data (RFC 3066)


  Hi Goutam,

   

  I can see your points.

   

  My suggestions -

   

    1.. Regarding understanding/representing their dialogues in written form 
      1.. The script wise - It is all same. So no issues there. 
      2.. Language wise - I'm not sure whether usage of word wise they are so different or not. If we found that the extent of difference is considerable, then we can think of having variants, otherwise it may become overkill. Do we have any official source where from we can find out the extent of difference (as far as I remeber renowned Bengali linguist Dr. Sunitikumar Chattopadhay published a book on this)? 
   

  2.       Cultural issue wise - as I already wrote in one of my previous mails, I'm not in for of linking the cultural issues with language. As an abstract, Locale, can handle different cultural aspects like time zone, formats etc (depending on the support provided by the underlying technical platform). So for all these regions, if needed, different locale can be defined to represent the cultural aspects using the region/territory/variant part of a locale. For example, in Unix environment typically locale is defined as combination of language_region.encoding. Using 'region' one can take care of the cultural aspects by covering a country as well as a particular region in that country.

  Regards,

  Sourav

   

  Principal Architect 
  APAC, Infosys Technologies Limited 
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  From: Goutam Kumar Saha [mailto:goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in] 
  Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:03 PM
  To: souravm; www-international@w3.org
  Subject: Re: Bengali Locale Specific Data (RFC 3066)

   

  Hi Sourav,

  That's true however, I'm afraid without these how will we be able to understand and represent their dialogues (in written form) and cultural issues (part of localization).  

  Regards,

  Goutam

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: souravm 

    To: Goutam Kumar Saha ; www-international@w3.org 

    Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:45 PM

    Subject: RE: Bengali Locale Specific Data (RFC 3066)

     

    Hi Goutam,

     

    Yes Gautam. There is my point.

     

    According to my knowledge, as a practice people talking in these different dialects are used to write/read Bengali in a single format which is the standard Bengali used in Bengali literature today.

     

    So, does it make sense to have these variants in the proposed standard as there ais no existing practice of using them in written form ?

     

    Regards,

    Sourav

     


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    From: Goutam Kumar Saha [mailto:goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in] 
    Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:43 PM
    To: souravm; www-international@w3.org
    Subject: Re: Bengali Locale Specific Data (RFC 3066)

     

    Hi Sourav,

    The following are Bengali dialects (spoken forms only). 

    Radhi (Kolkata, Nadia and Hoogly etc,)

    Bangali (Tripura, some parts of Kolkata etc.)

    Kamrupi (Coochbihar)

    Barendri (Malda)

    Jharkhandi (Jhargram)

    Sylheti (Silchar) 

     

    Thanks

    Goutam

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: souravm 

      To: Goutam Kumar Saha ; www-international@w3.org 

      Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:28 PM

      Subject: RE: Bengali Locale Specific Data (RFC 3066)

       

      Hi Gautam,

       

      That's a good info.

       

      I'm really curious to know

      -          Based on what this classification is made ? Is it based on any standard followed in India ? 

      -          Are all these variants have their corresponding written form ? I'm not sure as I've not seen any literature/web-site etc. in the radhi/kamrupi/barendri/ or jharkhandi form.

      -          Which one of them is related to the Bengali in Bangladesh ? I guess bn-IN-bangali

       

      In general my worry is if these 5 variants are not much in use in Bengali Literature/Web Site etc. is it needed to have these 5 different variants.

       

      Regards,

      Sourav

       

      Principal Architect 
      APAC, Infosys Technologies Limited 
      Tel (L):  91-80-41560430 
      Mobile : 91-9845016391 


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      From: www-international-request@w3.org [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Goutam Kumar Saha
      Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:15 PM
      To: www-international@w3.org
      Subject: Bengali Locale Specific Data (RFC 3066)

       

      Dear All,

      The following five dialects of Bengali language,as spoken in India, may be denoted as:

       

      bn-IN-radhi

      bn-IN-bangali

      bn-IN-kamrupi

      bn-IN-barendri

      bn-IN-jharkhandi

       

      Thanks & Regards,

      Goutam

       

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