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Re: Hindi Alphabetic Bulleting in CSS3 (Indian Languages)

From: Jose <jose_stephen@cdactvm.in>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 18:26:29 +0530
Message-ID: <01d101c67a7a$7ac6de50$ca1110ac@Josemrc>
To: "Goutam Kumar Saha" <goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
Cc: <www-international@w3.org>

Sir,
As of now to best of  my knowledge what you said is true for the south 
indian languages also. But Malayalam use arabic numerals more than the 
tradition one. For kannada tradition numerals are widely used by the content 
creators .For tamil I am not sure now but will confirm later.I think the 
content authors now prefer numeric bulleting to alphabetic because they have 
no choice. Once they will get support for both alphabetic and numeric 
bulleting they will use both.
Thanks
Jose
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Goutam Kumar Saha" <goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
To: "Jose" <jose_stephen@cdactvm.in>
Cc: <www-international@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Hindi Alphabetic Bulleting in CSS3 (Indian Languages)


> Dear Jose,
> What I've wanted to mean that usually content authors prefer numeric
> bulleting to alphabetic bulleting in Bengali, Assamese and Oriya etc. Is 
> it
> true for Malayalam, Tamil and Kannada?
> Thanks
> Goutam
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jose" <jose_stephen@cdactvm.in>
> To: "Goutam Kumar Saha" <goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
> Cc: <www-international@w3.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Hindi Alphabetic Bulleting in CSS3 (Indian Languages)
>
>
>>
>>    Sir,
>>
>>    Support for numeric bulleting for Malayalam,Tamil and Kannada is
>>    already there in CSS3 draft(http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-lists/).
>>    Only alphabetic support is not  there presently.
>>
>>    Jose
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Goutam Kumar Saha" <goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
>> To: "Jose" <jose_stephen@cdactvm.in>
>> Cc: <www-international@w3.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: Hindi Alphabetic Bulleting in CSS3 (Indian Languages)
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Dear Jose and All,
>> > Thanks for the PDFs.
>> > Don't we use numeric bullets in Malayalam, Tamil and Kannada apart from
>> > the
>> > alphabetic bullets?
>> > Regards,
>> > Goutam
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Jose" <jose_stephen@cdactvm.in>
>> > To: "Goutam Kumar Saha" <goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>; "Martin Duerst"
>> > <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
>> > Cc: <www-international@w3.org>
>> > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 1:36 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Hindi Alphabetic Bulleting in CSS3 (Indian Languages)
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Dear all we converted the tamil & malayalam bulleting list as  PDF
>> > documents
>> >> to solve the font issues.
>> >> You can download/view  from
>> >> http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/w3c/malbulletinglist.pdf
>> > (Malayalam)
>> >> http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/w3c/tamilbulletinglist.pdf
>> >> (Tamil)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Jose
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Martin Duerst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
>> >> To: "Jose" <jose_stephen@cdactvm.in>; "Goutam Kumar Saha"
>> >> <goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
>> >> Cc: <www-international@w3.org>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 7:25 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: Hindi Alphabetic Bulleting in CSS3 (Indian Languages)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hello Jose,
>> >> >
>> >> > At 17:15 06/05/17, Jose wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Dear All
>> >> > >In Tamil consonants & vowels are used for Bulleting since tamil 
>> >> > >have
>> > only
>> >> > a few consonants.But in malayalam only consonants are used. You can
>> > refer
>> >> > malayalam bulleting list from the site
>> >> > http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/w3c/malayalambulletinglist.htm
>> > and
>> >> > tamil from the site
>> >> > http://www.malayalamresourcecentre.org/w3c/tamilbulletinglist.htm..
>> >> >
>> >> > This is great information! However, can you please make sure
>> >> > you send these files labeled as UTF-8 (because they are encoded
>> >> > in UTF-8, which is nice). Currently, the server says they are
>> >> > iso-8859-1, which is of course wrong.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, I had problems looking at the Tamil page both in Opera 9.5
>> >> > (shows only one or two random characters) and in Firefox
>> >> > (shows source). In IE, this showed up reasonably well.
>> >> > I haven't found the reason for why the Malayalam page displays
>> >> > but the Tamil page doesn't. But if you find anyhthing,
>> >> > please fix it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,    Martin.
>> >> >
>> >> > >Thanks & Regards,
>> >> > >Jose Stephen
>> >> > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Goutam Kumar Saha"
>> >> > <goutam.k.saha@kolkatacdac.in>
>> >> > >To: "Martin Duerst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
>> >> > >Cc: <www-international@w3.org>
>> >> > >Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:18 PM
>> >> > >Subject: Re: Hindi Alphabetic Bulleting in CSS3 (Indian Languages)
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Dear Martin,
>> >> > >> This is for your kind information that we don't use vowel list 
>> >> > >> for
>> >> > >> Bulleting
>> >> > >> in Bengali, Oriya and Assamese etc.
>> >> > >> Normally, to my best knowledge,  we use either Numeric bulleting
>> >> > >> (starting
>> >> > >> from 1-one ) or Consonant bulleting only. Vowels are not used for
>> >> > >> buletting.
>> >> > >> This might be true for other Indian Languages also (e.g. Gujrati,
>> >> > >> Malayalam
>> >> > >> and Hindi etc.)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Thanks and Regards,
>> >> > >> Goutam Kumar Saha
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Duerst"
>> >> > >> <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
>> >> > >> To: "Karunesh Arora" <karunesharora@cdacnoida.in>; "Richard
> Ishida"
>> >> > >> <ishida@w3.org>
>> >> > >> Cc: <www-international@w3.org>; "Felix Sasaki" <fsasaki@w3.org>
>> >> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:05 AM
>> >> > >> Subject: Re: Hindi Alphabetic Bulleting in CSS3
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Hello Karunesh,
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Great contribution!
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Two questions:
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> You show Vowel bulleting order and consonant bulleting order
>> >> > >>> separately.
>> >> > >>> Does that mean that these are two different ways of labeling 
>> >> > >>> list
>> >> > >>> items?
>> >> > >>> Or is there some way to combine them in a single labeling style?
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> In other words, would we need both of:
>> >> > >>> list-style-type: devanagari-vowel
>> >> > >>> list-style-type: devanagari-consonant
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Also, you say that this is the order for Indian languages, but
> does
>> >> > >>> this apply to all Indian scripts? Are there variations depending
>> >> > >>> on the language (e.g. for languages that don't use all the
> letters
>> >> > >>> in a script)? What happens for scripts that e.g. don't have all
>> >> > >>> the consonants, or have additional consonants? (e.g. Tamil?)
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Sorry to ask so many questions.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> Regards,    Martin.
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>> At 20:10 06/05/16, Karunesh Arora wrote:
>> >> > >>>  >Dear all,
>> >> > >>>  >In CSS3 Module :Lists working draft
>> >> > >> (ref:http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-lists/)
>> >> > >>>  >we found that the list-style-type for bulleting is done only
> for
>> >> > >> numerals in
>> >> > >>>  >Indian languages i.e no alphabetic bulletins are provided ( 
>> >> > >>> 4.4
>> > List
>> >> > >>>  >Content: The 'list-style-type' property - Alphabetic).  The
>> > ordering
>> >> > >> list
>> >> > >>>  >for Hindi is given in enclosed file for Vowels and Consonants.
>> >> > >>>  >Please go through the document and give us your valuable
>> >> > >>> suggestions.
>> >> > >>>  >regards
>> >> > >>>  >Karunesh & Vijay
>> >> > >>>  >
>> >> > >>>  >
>> >> > >>>  >
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
>> >> > >>>
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