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Re: [Moderator Action] RE: Pen-gesture keyboard for Hindi

From: Goutam Kumar Saha <goutam.k.saha@cdackolkata.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:26:55 +0530
Message-ID: <002701c661db$61892db0$5880a8c0@GKS>
To: "Debbie Garside" <md@ictenterprise.co.uk>
Cc: "Martin Duerst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, <www-international@w3.org>, <www-multimodal@w3.org>

Yes Debbie, I fully agree to your comments on speed factor. With more
practices people certainly will find it faster.
Thanks and Regards,
Goutam Saha

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Debbie Garside" <md@ictenterprise.co.uk>
To: "'Mark Davis'" <mark.davis@icu-project.org>; "'Goutam Kumar Saha'"
<goutam.k.saha@cdackolkata.com>
Cc: <bruno.girin@cambista.com>; <cambista@triskeltech.co.uk>; "'Martin
Duerst'" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>; <www-international@w3.org>;
<www-multimodal@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: [Moderator Action] RE: Pen-gesture keyboard for Hindi


>
>
> Perhaps speed is a factor in this new product.  Is it faster to write or
put
> together key combinations for the characters?
>
> Certainly, as a tool to aid education I think it may be very useful.
India
> is a large market so even if it addresses a need within a niche it will be
> successful IMHO.
>
> Best regards
>
> Debbie Garside
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: www-international-request@w3.org
> > [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Mark Davis
> > Sent: 13 April 2006 14:44
> > To: Goutam Kumar Saha
> > Cc: bruno.girin@cambista.com; cambista@triskeltech.co.uk;
> > Martin Duerst; www-international@w3.org; www-multimodal@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: Pen-gesture keyboard for Hindi
> >
> >
> > With few exceptions, it is pretty transparent which
> > characters are typed to compose which syllables. And those
> > same pieces are the ones that you can see on the tablet. The
> > only real advantage of the tablet, that I can see, is that
> > the choices can be more dynamically presented -- on the other
> > hand, we've seen lot's of tablet technology being hyped as
> > innovative, then sink like a stone in the market.
> >
> > But perhaps I'm wrong; there's little point to arguing this
> > -- let's just wait and look back in a year from now and see
> > how successful this is.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Goutam Kumar Saha wrote:
> > > This is for general information that Hindi, Bengali and most of the
> > > other Indian Languages'  written form is based on syllables and we
> > > need to learn what combination of keys on a keyboard
> > produce each syllable.
> > >
> > > Regards-- Goutam Saha
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bruno Girin (Cambista)" <cambista@triskeltech.co.uk>
> > > To: "Mark Davis" <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
> > > Cc: "Martin Duerst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>; "Chris Lilley"
> > > <chris@w3.org>; <www-international@w3.org>; <www-multimodal@w3.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Pen-gesture keyboard for Hindi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Not if you consider that, according to the articles, it is
> > meant to
> > >> be used by people who have never used a traditional
> > western keyboard
> > >> and have probably spent all their lives thinking in
> > grapheme clusters
> > >> rather than individual letters, when they write. I don't know
> > >> anything about Hindi but I assume that if the language's
> > written form
> > >> is based on syllables, having to learn what combination of
> > keys on a
> > >> keyboard produce each syllable can be a hurdle in educating people
> > >> about computers because they have to first learn a brand
> > new way to
> > >> write their own language.
> > >>
> > >> What I find interesting about this, if I follow the article
> > >> correctly, is that it provides a fresh look at data input for
> > >> languages that are not alphabet-based and are typically
> > difficult to input using a keyboard.
> > >>
> > >> Maybe it will never prove to be a viable alternative but having
> > >> someone consider any alternative is good IMHO.
> > >>
> > >> Mark Davis wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Right, but nobody ever used a 1000 key keyboard for Hindi, so the
> > >>> "news" about it replacing the need for it is a red herring.
> > >>>
> > >>> Mark
> > >>>
> > >>> Martin Duerst wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> At 02:17 06/04/12, Mark Davis wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> It looks very overblown to me; saw a news report about
> > "a process
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> that would require up to 1,000 keys using a traditional keyboard"
> > >>>> which is bizarre for Indic.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> That range of number suggests that they are thinking
> > about Hindi in
> > >>>> terms of syllables, treating each grapheme cluster as a unit.
> > >>>> In practice, there are about 1000-3000 such clusters in
> > practical use.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But this is just a guess.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,   Martin.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Mark
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Chris Lilley wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hello ,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I thought this might be interesting, partly for the I18n aspect
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>> and partly for the pen-based, gesture modality of text entry.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >
> > http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/07/hp-provides-deets-on-gesture-keyboa
> > > rd/
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/17/hp-indias-gesture-keyboard-for-pen-
> > > entry/
> > >
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
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