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Re: es-americas/latin spanish

From: Tex Texin <tex@i18nguy.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:34:34 -0400
Message-ID: <3D85514A.385BA9F0@i18nGuy.com>
To: Toni Rovira <rovira@localversion.com>, IETF Languages <ietf-languages@iana.org>, WWW International <www-international@w3.org>

The following message went out on the locales list
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/locales/message/659).

It summarizes the contents of the Spanish web sites listed earlier.

fyi


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [locales] Re: es-americas/latin spanish
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:55:31 +0200
From: Toni Rovira <rovira@localversion.com>
To: Tex Texin <tex@i18nGuy.com>,<locales@yahoogroups.com>

> Toni,
> Any chance we could get summaries or highlights of the url's you
> provided, in English?
> 
> tex

My pleasure. Actually we planned to include highlights of these url's on
our
web site, so it's not an extra effort :)

http://www.microsoft.com/spanish/disclaimer.htm
400 million people speak Spanish as their native language. Main problems
today: bad usage in the mass media, English influence, and gaps in
technical
vocabulary, particularly in computer science. Most regional variations
are
minimal and have to do with vocabulary; enough though to give the
impression
that a given material is ³done for another country² and annoy some
users.
Some typical examples ("computadora" vs "ordenador", "reporte" vs
"informe",
separator for decimals and thousands in Mexico, etc). Not true though
that
it¹s all about two different dialects: European and American. Microsoft
uses
one standard Spanish, valid for Spain, Venezuela, Argentina, Mexico, etc

http://www.nuevarevista.net/2001/marzo/nr_articulo74_4.htm
The author doesn¹t see any linguistic reason to differentiate between
European and American Spanish. If England and the US are, quoting
Bernard
Shaw, two countries separated by the same language, this paradox doesn¹t
apply between Spain and Latin America. Practically every linguistic
peculiarity found in America is also found in some area of Spain today,
and
certainly in the "golden" literature of the 16-17th centuries. Spanish
is
surprisingly homogeneous. Also, the so-called Atlantic Spanish
(phonetically
different) is not spoken in America only but also in southern Spain and
the
Canary islands, while the Castilian Spanish is also spoken in certain
areas
of Central and South America. Nothing to do with American vs European
English or Portuguese.

http://el-castellano.com/grijel07.html
Spanish speakers usually understand words that they listen for the first
time in a different country. Why? Because these words share the same
³chromosomes². That¹s the basis to determine that these 400 million
people
in 21 countries speak the same language, the author says. Lots of nice
examples. It used to be an imperative to remove regional terms when
writing
³correct² Spanish, but the tendency is to respect them, since their
meaning
is clear and they¹re now seen as a richness, not a ³threat².

http://www.unidadenladiversidad.com/opinion/opinion_ant/2001/marzo_01/opinio
n_210301.htm
About the possibility that lots of ³Americanisms² might be included in
the
next revision of the Diccionario de la Real Academia Española (DRAE). An
important step towards acknowledging the plurality of the language and
the
respect for the American forms. Why should Spaniards decide that
Mexicans
must write "Méjico" and not "México"?

The last 3 url¹s illustrate the situation in some specific countries.

http://el-castellano.com/lodares3.html
Argentina, the child of two civilizations: one Spanish, European,
cultivated, the other native American.

http://www.el-castellano.com/espachil.html
About the regional and social differences inside Chile.

http://www.analitica.com/bitblioteca/amarquez/castellano_venezuela2.asp
A defense of the linguistic variations in Puerto Rico and Venezuela.

If any of you have any further questions, I'll be glad to try to help.
And
if you know other nice url's, please let us know.

Regards!
Toni

============================================
   Toni Rovira
   Localization Manager    Tel: +34 600 710 050
   LocalVersion - Localization and Engineering
   rovira@localversion.com    http://www.localversion.com/
============================================


> Toni Rovira wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Here's my humble "granito de arena" to this interesting thread. I have
>> managed many localization projects into international Spanish and my
>> experience is that, for most companies and from a merely linguistic
>> point of
>> view, this is perfectly po$$ible. There's only one Spanish language,
>> there's
>> one "Real Academia", and we all refer to the same sources when in
>> doubt.
>> Certainly there are dozens if not hundreds of rich regional variations
>> (even
>> dozens in the same country!), but experienced linguists can write and
>> speak
>> so that everybody understands and noone is offended. Actually many of
>> the
>> differences are simply words that we all know but we wouldn't normally
>> use.
>> 
>> Of course, if you don¹t simply want the message to be clearly
>> understood,
>> but to sound attractive and customized to the target audience
>> (marketing
>> texts, for intance), then that's another story...
>> 
>> Un saludo,
>> Toni Rovira
>> www.localversion.com
>> 
>> PS: For those of you who can read Spanish, here are some url's I hope
>> you
>> enjoy:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/spanish/disclaimer.htm
>> http://el-castellano.com/grijel07.html
>> http://www.nuevarevista.net/2001/marzo/nr_articulo74_4.htm
>> http://www.unidadenladiversidad.com/opinion/opinion_ant/2001/marzo_01/opinio
>> n_210301.htm
>> http://el-castellano.com/lodares3.html
>> http://www.el-castellano.com/espachil.html
>> http://www.analitica.com/bitblioteca/amarquez/castellano_venezuela2.asp
>> 
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