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Re: Euro mess (Was: valid locales ---> was bilingual websites

From: Tex Texin <texin@progress.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 16:44:09 -0500
Message-ID: <3BF43729.46B4E5C6@progress.com>
To: David_Possin@i2.com
CC: duerst@w3.org, locales@yahoogroups.com, Manuel.Carrasco@emea.eu.int, www-international@w3.org
OK. I interpreted your first paragraph to mean that when you change the
locale the local currency is used. I.e. a switch between US Dollars and
DEM (or Euros) when the locales change. You mean just the formatting
changes.

ok...
tex


David_Possin@i2.com wrote:
> 
> I didn't say the prices (better: the currency of the prices) would
> change, only the formatting and the display. You are used to seeing
> prices in the US formatting, the German formatting might cause you to
> read the prices wrong. It took me a while to get used to the US
> display when I moved here. I still can't imagine a 1/32 of an inch or
> 3 ounces, but I can imagine 3 millimeters and 1 liter (a Ma▀krug).
> Other countries have some very unusual formats, at least for us. The
> currency conversion should always be done separately either as a
> feature or at the user's request.
> 
> David Possin
> 
>  "Tex Texin"
>  <texin@progress.com>               To:        David_Possin@i2.com
>                                     cc:        Carrasco Benitez
>  11/15/01 03:06 PM          Manuel <Manuel.Carrasco@emea.eu.int>,
>                             duerst@w3.org, www-international@w3.org,
>                             locales@yahoogroups.com
>                                     Subject:        Re: Euro mess
>                             (Was: valid locales ---> was    bilingual
>                             websites
> 
> David,
> However, when I am in Germany I would like to see the catalog in the
> English Language as spoken in the US, but I still buy it locally and
> do
> not want the American prices but the local German prices.
> 
> Then what?
> 
> I don't think there is a good answer....
> tex
> 
> David_Possin@i2.com wrote:
> >
> > I agree, the currency and its symbol may not change when you change
> a
> > locale, unless it is a product feature. A catalog for instance could
> > provide the prices in the correct currency of the user's locale, for
> > example. When you change your locale the prices show up in that
> > countries currency.
> >
> > The formatting change of the displayed currency depending on the
> > locale is a different issue. What triggers the change of the display
> > format? The language or the country or the currency or a mix of
> these?
> > Example:
> >
> > I am in the US with my PC set to en_US locale and I  looking at a
> > German catalog with German prices and German language descriptions,
> > actually a German website. How should the prices be displayed?
> >
> > DEM 1,234.00 because of my en_US locale setting?
> > or
> > 1.234,00 DEM because it is a German web page?
> >
> > Getting the catalog in snail mail was easier, a German catalog has
> > German formatting. We have been discussing this issue for a year now
> > and have found no definite decision, yet.
> >
> > I am sending the reply to the locales group
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/locales because we are discussing
> these
> > issues there as well.
> >
> > David Possin
> >
> >  "Carrasco Benitez Manuel"
> >  <Manuel.Carrasco@emea.eu.int>(by way          To:
> >  of Martin Duerst <duerst               www-international@w3.org
> >  Sent by:                                      cc:
> >  www-international-request@w3.org              Subject:        RE:
> >                                        Euro mess (Was: valid locales
> >  11/15/01 12:49 AM                     ---> was    bilingual
> websites
> >
> > [CARRASCO]
> > Local *must not* change the currency symbol. For example,
> > if a text with the local England contain $B!W(B100.-, it must
> > not change to $100.- when the local is changed to USA.
> >
> > Formating could change. For example, for some local X,
> > it could change to 100$B!W(B. The key aspect is that only the
> > presentation is changed, but not the meaning: "please
> > transfer 100 British Pounds; not USA dollars or
> > Liras/Libras of country Y".
> >
> > So in the case of the Euro Symbol, there are/will be
> > conventions for the different local how to format it:
> > in front, at the back or other aspects such as joined to
> > the first figure.
> >
> > Regarding encoding, users would choose whatever they like
> > and can use with their available systems.
> >
> > If am encoding HTML in ISO-8859-1, I will use "&euro;" as
> > it is makes the HTML source more readable that is I use
> > "&#8364;" or "&#x20A1;". Also less error prone, for example
> > the previous hex code is the "Colon" (C with to bars that
> > it could be considere an over-artistic Euro Symbol). The
> > Euro is "&#x20AC".
> >
> > Aspects that deal with the calculation of the euro are
> > outside the scope of this list.
> >
> > Regards
> > Tomas
> >
> > [BROWN]
> > If you do locale sensitive currency formatting the currency symbol
> and
> > positioning will change.  This means that you will get a text stream
> > in
> > Unicode for example and then have to translate it to the HTML code
> > page.
> > You can either scan for U+20AC and insert "&euro;" or convert all
> > non-translatable characters to NCRs such as "&#8364;".  This is a
> > better
> > approach as it is more general.
> 
> --
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> Tex Texin                    Director, International Business
> mailto:Texin@Progress.com    Tel: +1-781-280-4271
> the Progress Company         Fax: +1-781-280-4655
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> one I've never tried before."- -Mae West

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Tex Texin                    Director, International Business
mailto:Texin@Progress.com    Tel: +1-781-280-4271
the Progress Company         Fax: +1-781-280-4655
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"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the
one I've never tried before."- -Mae West
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