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Re: [html] Elements within "title"?

From: Harry Maugans <hmaugans@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:28:21 -0500
Message-ID: <e74da3890702281728tf98ca50s804c8da48e6ecf21@mail.gmail.com>
To: Barry <barry@polisource.com>
Cc: www-html@w3.org
Hum, I see what you're saying with this, however doesn't it seem more
appropriate for the browser to make these changes, rather than the
standards?  For example, a browser could easily add a simple option to
differentiate bookmarks (bold, colored, etc), similar to how Microsoft
Outlook flags emails.

Adjusting the way a browser title bar renders the tag to add more dynamics
to it could be progressive thinking, but I foresee lots of abuse.  With as
competitive as it is for a website to attract attention and visitors these
days, I'm thinking many would go overboard with emphasis tags and anything
they can to catch the user's attention.  Does the benefit gained from the
introduction of HTML titles outweigh this risk of abuse?

Or do you see abuse as a risk at all?

-- 
-Harry Maugans
 http://www.harrymaugans.com


On 2/28/07, Barry <barry@polisource.com> wrote:
>
>
> Harry Maugans wrote:
>
> > Granted you could water it down,
> > allowing <em> but not the H1/H2/H3 tags, but then that would, in my
> > opinion,
> > stray even farther from the best practices of a standard.
>
> Heading tags could be allowed but it would be up to the browser to decide
> how to render them, which the standard already allows. A heading tag
> should
> be considered semantically meaningless for a title since knowing that the
> text will be a title, a bookmark, or whatever, is more specific and useful
> in deciding how to render it, and the UA would know what the text is used
> for. If only part of the title is H1, then it may be acceptable to render
> it
> in a
> very slightly larger font, or emphasized in some way. If it worked like
> that, then
> instead of using all uppercase letters for the beginning of the title of
> http://www.polisource.com, I'd use an appropriate tag. If browser
> developers do it right and according to their own interests, they won't
> add
> support for tags within titles without making them work properly.
>
> > I think it was a valid suggestion and a good discussion, but I don't see
> > any
> > positive effects from an actual implementation of this.
>
> Nicholas mentioned a positive effect in the message you responded to. He
> said "Anything that deals with chemical formulae, mathematics, minor
> planet
> designations, and a slew of other topics really need to use super and
> subscript to avoid much lengthier circumlocutions." Also, see the bottom
> of
> http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_overvw.html about how
> italics could be used.
>
> For bookmarks, I might use styling as a code for certain kinds of
> bookmarks
> that I don't want a separate folder for. For example, maybe I'd use a red
> superscripted "1" to refer to another bookmark titled "1" that contains
> notes on the referenced document(s). Maybe I'd make frequently used
> bookmarks bold. A browser's support for a standard that allows tags in
> titles would as a side effect make it easy to implement this type of end
> user bookmark formatting.
>
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