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Re: [html] "title" text semantics, and "minor" element discussion

From: Christophe Strobbe <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:58:21 +0200
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Hi Osmo,

At 22:54 18/10/2005, Osmo Saarikumpu wrote:

>Christophe Strobbe wrote:
>>>At 19:53 18/10/2005, Osmo Saarikumpu wrote:
>>>I guess that I'd prefer every occurrence of an abbreviation expanded if 
>>>the other alternative would be not knowing it's meaning.
>>But that also applies to books, articles and other printed materials: the 
>>author has no control over where the user starts reading, but printed 
>>materials don't specify expansions of abbrevations at every occurrence. 
>>Similarly, if a user chooses to start reading in the middle of a 
>>document, it is his/her own responsibility if he/she skips expansions of 
>>abbreviations that are provided before his entry point into the document.
>I see a difference betwixt books, articles, etc. and the Web, as usually 
>printed materials are read in the order of appearance (and when not it's 
>by choice), but in the Web we follow links that may refer to targets in 
>the middle of documents or in sub pages of collections. If I follow a link 
>that targets a specific section of a document I'm not (at least 
>intentionally) skipping anything.

I made the comparison between the Web and printed materials because printed 
materials can also refer to other printed materials (book A can say: "see 
chapter 5 in book B"). It is the reader's responsibility to decide if he 
wants to start reading from the proposed entry point or from the beginning 
of the document, both in print and on the Web.

>If you provide the expansion of an abbreviation only in it's first 
>occurrence then you are employing a policy that does not (IMO) agree well 
>with hypertext.

It agrees just as well with hypertext as with printed media.

>Thus, the XHTML 2 view seems more suitable.[1]

On rereading that section: "Such an attribute [=title or full] should be 
repeated each time the abbreviation is *defined* in the document" [emphasis 
added]. 'Defined' is not the same as 'used'.

>Considerer also that WCAG 1.0 adds:
>"Providing the expansion in the main body of the document also helps 
>document usability."[2]

I agree that it helps but I don't agree that it should be required for 
every instance. I actually see no requirement to provide the expansion for 
every instance: once is enough to meet the letter of this checkpoint.


Christophe Strobbe

>[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xhtml2-20050527/mod-text.html#sec_9.1.
>[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/#gl-abbreviated-and-foreign

Christophe Strobbe
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Document Architectures
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