W3C home > Mailing lists > Public > www-html@w3.org > February 2004

Re: Headline: Styles pondering desertion to Content!

From: Lachlan Hunt <lachlan.hunt@iinet.net.au>
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 18:20:17 +1100
Message-ID: <40234031.6040500@iinet.net.au>
To: Wingnut <wingnut@winternet.com>
Cc: www-html@w3.org

Wingnut wrote:
> Lachlan Hunt wrote:
> <snip/>
>>   You have to remember that CSS is not only for XHTML, it's for any 
>> kind of XML document, so even in the unlikely event that your OTMB is 
>> added to XHTML, CSS must not change so drastically because of it.
> I can see your point, but in the same breath, we must not let CSS become 
> solidified beyond change ideas... just because its being used by 
> multiple applications.

   True, but this is not the www-style list, it's www-html, so CSS 
changes shouldn't be discussed here anyway.

>  In most folks' logic, border is "an adornment" 
> that could be labeled as content OR presentational.  And using that same 
> logic, an oval/circular border deserves to be right next to the square 
> border.  And so does underline and overline (partial borders).  Then, so 
> does triangle border,...

   No,  borders, or underlines, etc. are presentational, but what they 
are representing /may/ be semantic.  For example, when a wiggly, red 
underline is drawn underneath a word, it usually indicates incorrect 
spelling.  The wiggly red underline is the presentation, but the 
indication of a misspelt word is the semantics.  The presentation could 
infact be anything, so long as the reader understood that presentation 
correctly.  It is only by convention that a wiggly red underline is used.

   You need to stop thinking and talking about the types of shapes and 
lines that are being drawn, and think about what these shapes and lines 
represent or indicate.  That way, you may come up with some useful, 
non-presentational elements for XHTML, or maybe some other XML based 

Received on Friday, 6 February 2004 02:34:45 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.1 : Wednesday, 7 January 2015 15:06:07 UTC