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Re: kelvSYC's Thoughts on the new XHTML Draft

From: Andy <aholmes84@shaw.ca>
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:00:21 -0700
To: Joris Huizer <joris_huizer@yahoo.com>, www-html@w3.org
Message-id: <3EC14ED5.4090201@shaw.ca>



Joris Huizer wrote:

>--- Jelks Cabaniss <jelks@jelks.nu> wrote:
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>>Tantek wrote:
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>>>In some cases, it turned out HTML4 "Strict" made a
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>>few removal errors
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>>>('target','start','value' attributes), and the
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>>only W3C valid way of
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>>>using these removed features is to use the
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>>HTML4/XHTML1 Transitional
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>>>DTDs. 
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>>Indeed.
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>>As to 'target', the prime objections are:
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>>1) It's mostly for frames, and should thus go.
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>>2) Opening new windows ("_blank") is a UA thing, not
>>a part of the domain of
>>documents.
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>>3) "*I* will decide when to open a new window. I
>>don't want some rude author
>>deciding for me."
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>>I'm not completely unsympathetic to any of those
>>arguments, especially #1,
>>as I've never much cared for frames.  
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>>Argument #3, though, has always struck me as a bit
>>silly.  This should be a
>>UA preference, not a religious one.
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>>With #2, I think the objectors do have a point. 
>>Wouldn't it be neater if
>>instead of
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>>	<a target="_blank" href="someurl">click here</a>
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>>we could define it as ...
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>>	<a class="external" href="someurl">click here</a>
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>>and the author defines what "external" means
>>somewhere else (and which can
>>always be ignored by UAs configured properly)?
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>>/Jelks
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>I agree to all this - but I think it would be a better
>idea to use another attribute for this - maybe the
>"rel" or "rev" attribute I think.
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Although I'm still not convinced that opening new windows is the role of 
(X)HTML, if it is going to be a part of the specification I agree that 
it should not be via the 'target' attribute which in my opinion is 
specifically for targetting existing frames/windows and not creating them.

-Andy
Received on Tuesday, 13 May 2003 16:04:26 GMT

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