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Re: ISO-HTML and headers / form elements

From: Nicolas Lesbats <nlesbats@etu.utc.fr>
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 18:07:01 +0100 (MET)
To: Masayasu Ishikawa <mimasa@w3.org>
cc: www-html@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.02.10101131745290.13312-100000@vega.utc.fr>
The message was previously sent to the www-wai-ig@w3.org mailing list, but
it seems that this list is more appropriate.

On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, Masayasu Ishikawa wrote:

> [ This is my personal opinion ]
> 
> Nicolas Lesbats <nlesbats@etu.utc.fr> wrote:
> 
> > Some things trouble me in ISO-HTML, and I think it's quite related to
> > accessibility.
> > 
> > 1. Why headers are just authorised in the BODY element ?
> 
> Probably to impose the proper nesting of sections while being a complete
> subset of HTML 4 Strict.  ISO-HTML normatively requires the proper
> nesting of sections, and it has a tricky mechanism to enforce this.
> You might want to look at relevant thread in www-html.
> 
>   Subject: ISO HTML and headings 
>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2000Sep/thread#51

Thanks to that. I already searched among W3C archives but I didn't find
this.

> > 2. Why form elements are only accepted in FORM and FIELDSET elements ?
> 
> Probably to ensure that form controls won't appear outside of the form
> element.  In HTML 4, form controls may appear outside of the form element,
> e.g. when they are used to build user interfaces together with scripting.

I understand that, but then ISO-HTML documents are not always -I think-
HTML4 strict documents: see for instance

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwwwassos.utc.fr%2F%7Eplaider%2Frecherche.iso.html

which was a conform ISO-HTML document but not

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwwwassos.utc.fr%2F%7Eplaider%2Frecherche.test.html

which was the HTML4 strict equivalent (only the DTD changes).

Note that these pages are pages created for test only.

As a matter of fact, I can't believe that there is nothing wrong with
these examples because I can't believe that ISO-HTML claims to product
HTML4 strict documents if it doesn't. I don't think I've made mistakes
in creating them, maybe the W3C validator have troubles but I think it
doesn't (because I get the same conclusion in comparing DTDs). What do you
think about?

Regards

Nicolas

> Unlike HTML 4, ISO-HTML doesn't support scripting, so form controls
> should not appear outside of the form element.
> 
> As you noticed, use of form controls has become a bit harder by this
> restriction ...
> 
> Regards,
> 

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