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an official W3C browser test

From: Sjoerd Visscher <sjoerd@heeten.nl>
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 13:44:51 +0100
To: "www-html" <www-html@w3.org>
Message-ID: <000d01be3bcd$d9d67e80$402179c3@beneden>
I don't think programmers will cheat so they pass the test.

BUT when the w3c issues an official browser test,
programmers will test their beta-browser on it,
and tweaking the code until it passes the test.
Programmers may incorrectly think that passing
the test means a 100% working browser.

This means that issuing an official browser test
may even ENCOURAGE BUGGY CODE.

Think about it.

Sjoerd Visscher - sjoerd@locosoft.nl
Locosoft bv     - www.locosoft.nl

> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-html-request@w3.org [mailto:www-html-request@w3.org]On Behalf
> Of Gordon Worley
> Sent: vrijdag 8 januari 1999 04:08
> To: Inanis Brooke; www-html
> Subject: Re: I can't code, but...
>
>
> Inanis Broke wrote:
>
> >A test suite sounds like a good idea, as long as it's "cheat
> proof." For me,
>
> 	This is part of why I would want the code for the browser, as I
> mentioned several e-mails ago earlier in this thread.  Cheating could
> possibly become an issue, since I would assume that the testing process
> would be avaliable for public review.  With this knowledge,
> Netscape could,
> for instance, make sure that the proper Java data bindings to make the
> OBJECT element work with specific mime types are built into the
> browser and
> work only during the W3C's test, keeping their certificate system in tact.
> While I realize that it is unlikely that browser makers would want to
> implement features that would pass only the test, it would be necessary to
> be ready for all situations.
>
> >though, the question still remains: if we all really want a program to
> >encourage better conformance to w3c standards, (i.e. "100% HTML4/CSS
> >Compliance," or 90% or 80%, etc,) how do we go about at least letting the
> >w3c / Web industry know that we think it's a good idea, or
> finding out if /
> >why the w3c / Web industry thinks that such a program intended
> to encourage
> >full w3c compliance as fast as possible is a bad idea?
>
> 	I'll leave this on to the W3C people on the list.
>
> >Also, does anyone know if there are pages showing information about the
> >development or existence of test suites similar to the one for CSS1 which
> >currently exists?
>
> 	I don't know of any pages, but there are a few people I am going to
> try to contact that may be able to provide this type of information.  If
> they are willing, mabey they will even collaborate with the W3C on the
> project.  Will report back on this later.
>
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Received on Saturday, 9 January 1999 07:45:40 GMT

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