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Re: SSI usefulness (was RE: OBJECT, inheritance, and rendering)

From: Chris Maden <crism@oreilly.com>
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:54:11 -0400 (EDT)
Message-Id: <199808092353.TAA10382@ruby.ora.com>
To: www-html@w3.org
[Mike Meyer]
> You also missed *my* favorite reason for disliking UA negotiation -
> it tends to leave the very capable but non-mainstream browsers with
> the lowest-common-denominator pages. For instance, inline JPEG, PNG
> and and PostScript were all done well before Navigator did
> them. However, if you do a UA negotation without a fairly complete
> database, those advanced browsers are liable to get the low-quality
> version.

You can also end up with page designers who don't understand a
particular browser's capabilities, and screw up the document served
out to it.  Try movielink.com in Lynx some time:

rosetta-stone-2> telnet www.movielink.com 80
Trying 205.228.252.3...
Connected to www.movielink.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.0
User-Agent: Lynx/2.8

HTTP/1.0 302 Found
Server: Netscape-Commerce/1.12
Date: Sunday, 09-Aug-98 23:53:04 GMT
Location: http://web52.movielink.com/?


Connection closed by foreign host.
rosetta-stone-3> telnet web52.movielink.com 80
Trying 205.228.252.52...
Connected to web52.movielink.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.0
User-Agent: Lynx/2.8

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 23:45:18 GMT
Server: Apache/1.2.5
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/plain


Connection closed by foreign host.

And it's actually looking *for* the string "Lynx", not just not
finding another string; "Netscape/3.0 (compatible; Lynx 2.8)" will
fail just as egregiously.  Note that the Web server states "200 OK" -
and then doesn't serve anything at all out.

Sorry to ramble on; this is one of the most offensive sites on the
'net, to my mind.

-Chris
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