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Message-ID: <01BCFD5B.E64FEC20.firstname.lastname@example.org> From: Andrew n marshall <email@example.com> To: "'Liam Quinn'" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 05:41:23 -0800 Subject: RE: Header, Footer, and Sidebars On Friday, November 28, 1997 7:59 PM, Liam Quinn [SMTP:email@example.com] wrote: > What happens if the author does not want styles inherited into an included > HTML document? If OBJECT allowed styles to inherit, there would be no way > for an author to specify that the styles should not inherit. Fair enough. Then I suggest there should be a way to change that in the <OBJECT> tag. Perhaps the next release of HTML should include the a property, like the following: <OBJECT INHERIT="style"> where the default value is "none", maintaining a backwards compatibility with the current standard. This could also be extended to provide a list of inherited properties, such as "target". Any stylesheets or base targets found in the included document override those inherited values. > For this > reason, I think we should maintain the distinction between OBJECT and > server-side includes. OBJECT embeds completely independent documents > while server-side includes embed portions of documents that are (mostly) > dependent on their "parent" for determining the base URL and style. There are several reasons why we shouldn't be relying on server-side includes. First off, there may not always be a server. HTML should be designed so a site can work from disk, just as well as is could work from a web server. And it should be just as easy to maintain. Secondly, the major reason authors don't utilize SSI's is because they aren't consistent between different servers. It is a big advantage to know your site can be copied between systems as still work perfectly because it doesn't rely on the server in that way. On Friday, November 28, 1997 8:22 PM, gordon [SMTP:firstname.lastname@example.org] wrote: > That's not such a bad thing. It's easy enough to include the same style > sheet, and just as easy for the included document to stand out with its own > style. The problem here is that style is location dependent. Therefore a <OBJECT> tag within <H1> block would have a very different appearance than an object tag within a <P> tag. On Saturday, November 29, 1997 9:53 AM, Liam Quinn [SMTP:email@example.com] wrote: > But then you have an extra trip to the server, and an extra download for > the client. This should only be once for the whole site for an included document, such as an navigational aid. This isn't a And the biggest reason I would like to see style explicitly inherited is to provide a mechanism to inherit the current typeface (and other attributes into objects other than just HTML. The use of CSS is being discussed for SMIL on the www-multimedia list. Inheritance should be an issue. And I would really like to inherit the current font into my Java applets when I make custom controls as well, so I don't need to explicitly change that too and I can assume the font is readable! Andrew n marshall student - artist - programmer http://www.media-electronica.com/anm-bin/anm "Everyone a mentor, Everyone a pupil"