Re: Header, Footer, and Sidebars

Benjamin Franz (
Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:46:34 -0800 (PST)

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:46:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Benjamin Franz <>
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Subject: RE: Header, Footer, and Sidebars

On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Todd Fahrner wrote:

> Ironically, the opposite is the case: because images are cached, while bits
> of markup aren't, it can be faster over time to have persistent objects as
> objects like images. "Client side include." With OBJECT you can refer to
> another HTML file, but so far only IE4 seems to support this, and with some
> quirks.

Such as falling over dead (and leaving Win95 crippled (!!!)) if you
include a page recursively into itself. %-)

MS appears to have implemented OBJECT as Yet Another Variation of FRAME.
It presents the content as a web page in a box with scroll bars which
cannot be eliminated by any method I have yet discovered and it ignores
all the element attributes except HEIGHT and WIDTH.

As opposed to NS's implementation as Yet Another Variation of EMBED. Only 
things that have plugins can be used for content and it doesn't handle
the implicit presentation cascade correctly.

Both implementations of OBJECT are badly broken and impossible for general
use because there seems to be no common sub-set of functionality between
them. With stylesheets, you have to walk a razor thin line to make MSIE3,
MSIE4 and NS4 all happy. 

With OBJECT there is simply no line to walk. 

Benjamin Franz