Re: Fwd: Re: Israeli HTML Standard

David Rashty +972-2-6584848 (RASHTY@WWW4.HUJI.AC.IL)
Sun, 15 Jun 97 17:58 +0200


Date:     Sun,  15 Jun 97 17:58 +0200
Message-id: <15060097175834@WWW4.HUJI.AC.IL>
From: David Rashty +972-2-6584848 <RASHTY@WWW4.HUJI.AC.IL>
To: "Martin J. Duerst" <mduerst@ifi.unizh.ch>,
Subject:  Re: Fwd: Re: Israeli HTML Standard


> Hi
>
> Most Hebrew web pages in Israel are still using Visual ordering (ISO-8859-8).
> This is mainly because the browsers for the Implicit ordering are missing ;
> Visual is what work best for all.

>>Hi David,
>>
>>As far as I understand, visual only works if everything is preformatted
>>(<PRE>,...) or if the browser otherwise is changed so that it keeps
>>the line breaks in the original. Putting plain visual text into
>>a file and giving it the extension .html won't work, as far as I know.
>>Can you please explain how exactly this is currently done?
>>Can you give examples of such pages, with URLs. I don't understand
>>Hebrew, but I would like to have a look at the source.

tHERE ARE TWO METHODS
1) tO USE THE <PRE> TAG, THIS IS THE LESS USED METHOD
2) TO uSE THE TAG WHICH ALIGN THE TEXT TO THE RIGHT AND ADD LINE BREAKS.
THE BEST SOLUTION USED IS TABLE, WE USE THE FOLLOWING
<TABLE WIDTH="X%"><TR><TD ALIGN="RIGHT" NOWRAP>

THE NOWRAP PREVENTS THE LINE FROM BEING WRAPED IN THE WRONG PLACE SINCE hEBREW
IS WRITTEN FROM RIGHT TO LEFT AND THE LINE BREAKING IS DONE LEFT TO RIGHT

tHERE ARE ALSO OTHER SOLUTIONS LIKE <P ALIGN="RIGHT">


> i THINK THAT THE html STANDARD *MUST* INCLUDE THE vISUAL STANDARD
> (iso-8859-8) AS ONE OF THE VALID OPTIONS TO CREATE html PAGES AND STRONGLY
> APPOSE TO IGNORE IT.

>>Having the "charset" parameter value affect generic line parsing
>>mechanisms seems not very desirable. As far as I understand, even
>>now special markup is neccessary to have acceptable results.
>>Visual order can be kept by adding <BDO> (bidirectionality
>>override) at the right places (although that was not the original
>>puropose of BDO). BDO has the advantage that it won't affect old
>>browsers that don't do BIDI at all.

When you specify in the charset for Visual order, you command the browser
to parse the text as English Text. this is an exception.

Again, as I stated before Visual is not the best solution but is the one that
let all the users view the web.
Sincerely Yours,

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