Re: CAPTION element for OBJECT?

Jim Wise (jimw@numenor.turner.com)
Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:55:09 -0400 (EDT)


Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:55:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: CAPTION element for OBJECT?
In-Reply-To: <199707101231.OAA16630@se2000.sebank.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970710164928.5423B-100000@numenor.turner.com>
To: "Chapman, Hass" <hass.chapman@sebank.se>
From: Jim Wise <jimw@numenor.turner.com>
Cc: walter@natural-innovations.com, www-html@w3.org

On Thu, 10 Jul 1997, Chapman, Hass wrote:

> >> Suggestion: replace "abuse" with "are forced to resort to using".
> 
> Or replace "abuse" with "have ingeneously come up with - e.g. using TABLES 
> to control layout (prior to CSS).

What's ingenious about using HTML in a way which looks good on your
particular browser/OS/hardware combination, but could break under other
conforming implementations?

> >Nonsense.  No one is forcing you to misuse HTML.
> 
> What is misuse? Using HTML in ways that were not the intention of those that 
> formulated the DTD can be very useful and productive e.g. use of TABLES 
> (again).

Sure, but counting on all browsers choosing the same visual rendering as
yours (or even _having_ a visual rendering) is counter to the purpose of
HTML.  If you are preparing a document to be viewed only on your
particular machine, OS, and browser, you will be better served by a
format such as PDF or Microsloth Word, which are not portable, but
promise that the viewer will see what you are seeing.

> > If you want pixel
> >level control and graphical consistency, use a graphical format such as
> >TIFF or PDF.  If you want platform independece and logical markup, use
> >HTML.  If you want HTML with some level of control of visual rendering,
> >use HTML with CSS.
> 
> Problem: Not everyone uses a browser that is CSS enabled.

Sure, just like not everyone uses a browser which draws tables the same
way yours does.  The difference is that a correctly prepared document
which uses CSS will work in the absence of CSS.  Your method does not
have this fallback.

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				Jim Wise
				jim.wise@turner.com