SGML entities (fwd)

MegaZone (megazone@livingston.com)
Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:10:58 -0800 (PST)


From: MegaZone <megazone@livingston.com>
Message-Id: <199603200410.UAA21684@server.livingston.com>
Subject: SGML entities (fwd)
To: www-html@w3.org
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 20:10:58 -0800 (PST)

Once upon a time C. M. Sperberg-McQueen shaped the electrons to say...
>be better, probably, to keep these separate.  If we use the APPLET
>APPLET element defined for Java, the definition of the entity, and
>its association with the embedded applet, are both straightforward.

Have you bothered to read the <INSERT> proposal yet?

One of the reasons for it is to REPLACE the APPLET marker, and EMBED, 
and DYNSRC, etc, etc...

The main idea is to drop all of these vendor specific tages to insert
stuff into documents and then replace them ALL with <INSERT> so that
it can be universally handled.

>Yes.  That might be a reason to prefer client-side expansion of
>entity references.  On the other hand, any method one chooses of

This is a major reason for <INSERT>, when the TYPE is define the client
decides if it downloads it or not.  It is not force fed it by the server
automatically whenever the page is loaded.

>software is going to have to be changed either way; it can be changed to
>recognize a new tag (<INSERT>), or it can be changed to recognize an

It is easier to get browsers changed than servers.  Most sites do not go
around upgrading to servers everytime something new comes out.  But a
great number of users leap onto the latest browser the day it comes out.

>If we are talking about client-side inclusions, then this is equally an
>argument against <INSERT>, right?  Most browsers do not even _support_
><INSERT> now.  And yet, the list seems to be discussing it without

Big deal, any browser than isn't completely braindead will ignore it
since it is an entity it is not familiar with.

>This seems to me rather a large generalization, but even taken at face
>value I'm not sure it's an argument for reinventing yet another wheel.

The point is moot anyway, the wheel has been reinvented and will soon
be rolling on the major browsers judging from their press statements on it.

Note the following:
Editor: 
    Dave Raggett <dsr@w3.org> 
Authors: 
    Charlie Kindel, Microsoft Corporation
    Lou Montulli, Netscape Communications Corp.
    Eric Sink, Spyglass Inc.
    Wayne Gramlich, Sun Microsystems
    Jonathan Hirschman, Pathfinder
    Tim Berners-Lee, W3C
    Dan Connolly, W3C 

The proposal is <http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/TR/WD-insert>

-MZ
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