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Re: Link to xhtml-datatypes-1.mod broken in XHTML Basic 1.1 and XHTML 1.1 DTDs

From: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:53:44 -0600
Message-ID: <4D235EA8.1060006@aptest.com>
To: Francois Daoust <fd@w3.org>
CC: www-html-editor@w3.org
There is now a redirect so that this relative URI will work correctly 
when the DTD in TR space is used.  This should resolve the problem.

On 1/3/2011 1:02 PM, Francois Daoust wrote:
> I haven't checked the W3C markup validation service, but I'm pretty 
> sure it already uses a local copy of the DTDs. The W3C mobileOK 
> Checker also uses a local catalog but the mapping is "simple": it 
> merely converts well-known prefixes to local folders. For instance, 
> the URI:
>  http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/xhtml-basic11.dtd
> ... gets mapped to:
>  www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/xhtml-basic11.dtd
> ... in the local filesystem.
>
> That's the easiest way to maintain a local catalog and I would expect 
> most developers to use similar rules. The hierarchy is preserved and 
> the broken link remains when you do that. Note that I already fixed 
> the local DTDs used by the mobileOK Checker: what's at stake here is 
> not our validation tools).
>
> I take your point ref the difficulty to update something in /TR space, 
> I'm sure we'll find a way. There should not be any need to do that 
> more than once in the spec's lifetime. Well, in theory that is ;)
>
> Francois.
>
>
> On 01/03/2011 06:46 PM, Shane McCarron wrote:
>> Well... I meant 2. A validating parser is permitted to have a local 
>> catalog in which DOCTYPES are mapped to alternate locations, and I 
>> would certainly recommend that any validating parser have local 
>> versions of these DTDs and use them rather than beating on the W3C 
>> servers all the time.
>>
>> Regardless, you are of course correct that the versions in /TR space 
>> should be corrected. But this is VERY HARD TO DO at the W3C. So, for 
>> the nonce, is there a way you can get the W3C validator to look in 
>> /MarkUp/DTD for the XHTML family Document Types that were defined by 
>> the XHTML2 working group?
>>
>> On 1/3/2011 11:25 AM, Francois Daoust wrote:
>>> On 01/03/2011 05:28 PM, Shane McCarron wrote:
>>>> My recommendation is that you use the versions at 
>>>> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD - these versions work and will be 
>>>> maintained. There shouldn't even be a version in TR space. I 
>>>> thought I had ripped those out for the new release.
>>>
>>> Your comment may be read two ways:
>>>
>>> 1. use the version of the "xhtml-datatypes-1.mod" module in 
>>> /MarkUp/DTD. I incorrectly referred to 
>>> /TR/Markup/xhtml-datatypes-1.mod (which does not even exist) in my 
>>> message, that was a typo, sorry for the confusion. The suggested 
>>> correction does use the version in /MarkUp/DTD, indeed.
>>>
>>> 2. use the versions of the XHTML 1.1 and XHTML Basic 1.1 DTDs that 
>>> appear in /MarkUp/DTD. That's not really possible since the DOCTYPE 
>>> listed in the conformance section of these specs refers to, e.g. 
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/xhtml-basic11.dtd for XHTML Basic 
>>> 1.1. A validating XML parser would de facto use that URI to retrieve 
>>> the DTDs.
>>>
>>> Francois.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/13/2010 11:29 AM, Francois Daoust wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> The XHTML Basic 1.1 [1] and XHTML 1.1 [2] DTDs were recently 
>>>>> published with a link to the "xhtml-datatypes-1.mod" module. This 
>>>>> module is defined in 
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/Markup/xhtml-datatypes-1.mod but the link 
>>>>> that appears in the DTDs targets the folder in which the DTD is 
>>>>> defined, resulting in a broken link.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Extract from one of the DTD (same problem in both):
>>>>> ==
>>>>> <!ENTITY % xhtml-datatypes.mod
>>>>> PUBLIC "-//W3C//ENTITIES XHTML Datatypes 1.0//EN"
>>>>> "xhtml-datatypes-1.mod" >
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Corrected extract:
>>>>> ==
>>>>> <!ENTITY % xhtml-datatypes.mod
>>>>> PUBLIC "-//W3C//ENTITIES XHTML Datatypes 1.0//EN"
>>>>> "http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/DTD/xhtml-datatypes-1.mod" >
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Francois.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/DTD/xhtml-basic11.dtd
>>>>> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd
>>>>
>>

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