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Re: checkbox labels

From: Aaron Reed <aaronr@us.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:28:15 -0600
To: www-forms@w3.org
Message-ID: <eptt5p$h00$1@sea.gmane.org>

I'd say default placement should be host-language based.  But the user 
should still be able to specify in some manner the position of the label 
relative to its control.

But in xhtml the label is much more loosely coupled and can appear on 
any side of the control.  There really isn't a default unless you fall 
back to the html4- convention of not specifying a html:label.

So all of this is going to be a good question for the xhtml2 guys, 
too...how are they going to address this problem?  Right now the users 
have practically carte blanche where the label is in respect to the 
control.  The label and the control don't even have to have the same 
parent or grandparent.  How are they going to allow a similar type of 
freedom once they adopt the XForms way of doing things (embedding the 
label in the element the label corresponds to)?

--Aaron

Mark Birbeck wrote:
> 
> Shouldn't the position be dependent on the language, too?
> 
> On 01/02/07, Aaron Reed <aaronr@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>
>> Good catch Leigh, thanks.  I did use the wrong pseudo-element.  Changing
>> to ::value didn't help, though.  Maybe XSmiles does have a bug.  I'm
>> still interested if any of the other processors allow for something 
>> similar.
>>
>> As an aside, reading the XForms 1.0 spec it says about ::value ->
>> "...This pseudo-element is a child of the form control element, and
>> appears immediately after the required label element".  Due to the goal
>> I'm trying to achieve, I vote that this be removed from the spec unless
>> xf:label is changed to say that it must appear before the form control
>> that represents the xforms control element.  I don't mind that the
>> default behavior be that the label appears first.  But I also think
>> allowing for alternatives shouldn't be prohibited.
>>
>> --Aaron
>>
>> Klotz, Leigh wrote:
>> > The examples from Mikko's site show
>> >  output.total::value {font-size:12pt;color:red;width:100pt;margin-left:
>> > 10px;caption-side: left;}
>> >
>> > It's possible it's broken in X-Smiles, but the bug notes say it worked.
>> >
>> > Also, you have xforms|input::xf-value which is a combination of CSS3 
>> and
>> > Mozilla workaround.
>> > Maybe you tried xforms|input::value and this is just a typo.
>> >
>> > Leigh.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: www-forms-request@w3.org [mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Aaron Reed
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:40 PM
>> > To: www-forms@w3.org
>> > Subject: Re: checkbox labels
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Leigh,
>> >
>> > I tried that, but had no luck.  Here is the testcase I used.  No
>> > combination of the three style selectors (or any of them alone) worked
>> > for me using XSmiles alpha version.
>> >
>> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
>> > <!-- basic FO page definition stuff -->
>> > <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
>> > xmlns:xforms="http://www.w3.org/2002/xforms"
>> > xmlns:ev="http://www.w3.org/2001/xml-events"
>> > xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
>> > xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" >
>> >    <head>
>> >      <title>Checkbox testcase</title>
>> >      <style>
>> >        @namespace xforms url("http://www.w3.org/2002/xforms");
>> >
>> >        xforms|input {
>> >          caption-side: right;
>> >        }
>> > /*
>> >        xforms|input xforms|label {
>> >          caption-side: right;
>> >        }
>> >        xforms|input::xf-value {
>> >          caption-side: right;
>> >        }
>> > */
>> >      </style>
>> >      <xforms:model id="mymodel">
>> >        <xforms:instance id="myinstance" xmlns="">
>> >          <values>
>> >            <select>0</select>
>> >          </values>
>> >        </xforms:instance>
>> >        <xforms:bind id="booleanbind" nodeset="/values/select"
>> >                     type="xsd:boolean" />
>> >      </xforms:model>
>> >    </head>
>> >    <body>
>> >      <h2>This testcase should show a checkbox with its label to its
>> > right
>> >      </h2>
>> >
>> >      <xforms:input bind="booleanbind">
>> >        <xforms:label>This should be a checkbox: </xforms:label>
>> >      </xforms:input>
>> >    </body>
>> > </html>
>> >
>> > --Aaron
>> >
>> > Klotz, Leigh wrote:
>> >> I believe X-Smiles does this with caption-side CSS property.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: www-forms-request@w3.org [mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of Aaron Reed
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:50 PM
>> >> To: www-forms@w3.org
>> >> Subject: checkbox labels
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I noticed that every xforms processor that I tried put the labels for
>> >> boolean inputs (usually rendered as checkboxes) to the left of the
>> >> checkbox even though the overwhelming preference for html forms is to
>> >> have the label on the right of a checkbox.  Do any xforms processors
>> >> allow their authors to position a boolean input's label to the right
>> > of
>> >> the control?  Perhaps using a CSS style?
>> >>
>> >> I guess the better question might be, does any processor allow the
>> > form
>> >> author to determine the label position (either left or right of the
>> >> underlying control) of any xforms control?  And if so, how?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> --Aaron
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