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RE: AJAX vs. Xforms

From: Ogbuji, Chimezie <OGBUJIC@ccf.org>
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:20:15 -0500
Message-ID: <E9B52E50D32640449D84BD2A85F9CADF010BA3C3@CCHSCLEXMB60.cc.ad.cchs.net>
To: www-forms@w3.org

The point I think that is being missed here is that lack of early adoption (of a technology that is in its infancy - when you consider the scope of the kinds of problems it sets out to solve) is not a criticism of the technology itself.  AJAX is a scripting technique, XForms is a complete platform-agnostic framework for building user interfaces (one which subsumes the capabilities that comes with AJAX).

AJAX attempts to solve a portion of the problems XForms does using tools / APIs that are *already* ubiquitous. It's a classic apples to oranges comparison.

From: www-forms-request@w3.org [mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Kugelman, John
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:59 PM
To: Vincent Berger; Elliotte Harold
Cc: www-forms@w3.org
Subject: RE: AJAX vs. Xforms

People don't want to install plug-ins. Heck, I work with XForms day-in day-out and I don't want to bother installing XForms plug-ins. I think I tried installing Novell's processor once, got stymied by it not working with Windows XP SP2, and gave up. Not worth the effort involved, and I'm an XForms developer!
Flash provides a capability that is unavailable in HTML. You can't do movies and animation in HTML. It still took years for Flash to really take off and get to where it is now where authors can just depend on it being installed, and can make web sites based on it. And even still, most web sites that use Flash have an equivalent non-Flash version.
Forms, on the other hand, already exist, and can be made quite slick with some JavaScript. You don't need some external plug-in to do forms. XForms offers nothing compelling for end users that will push them to install a plug-in. Form authors are the people that benefit from XForms, not end users. Developers are supposed to absorb the burdens imposed by new technologies, not users!
XForms needs to be completely invisible to end-users, or it will be too annoying to ever take off.

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