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RE: XForms vs. Web Forms

From: Goodrich, Christopher Michael <cmgoodr@sandia.gov>
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:53:45 -0700
Message-ID: <C01B7DAB36AB864E9C99F5B79655413A032171F5@ES20SNLNT.srn.sandia.gov>
To: "Anne van Kesteren" <fora@annevankesteren.nl>
cc: www-forms@w3.org

I sit corrected.  Anne, you are correct, Firefox doesn't come with the
Xforms built into the browser, it's a plug-in.  Reading the goal of the
project gives misleading information because later under objectives, it
specifically states a plug-in.  My mistake.

On your second point, I think you put an equals sign where one shouldn't
have gone.  I wasn't crediting Microsoft with the creation/support of
Web Forms, I was combining two thoughts in one sentence.  On the
scripting standpoint, the article that was pointed out stated very
clearly that scripting is a large part of Web Forms.  Not that I'm
totally against scripting, but I'm more for making life simpler.

I do believe another person already covered this particular stance
earlier in this discussion and displayed an example that Web Forms could
work without scripting in some functions.  My comments regarding
scripting were taken directly from the article though.  I will review
the standards of Web Forms for a more unbiased review.

Thank you,

Christopher M Goodrich A+
Corporate Computing Help Desk
Sandia National Laboratories
Science Applications International Corporation
(505) 284-4797 

-----Original Message-----
From: Anne van Kesteren [mailto:fora@annevankesteren.nl] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 10:43 AM
To: Goodrich, Christopher Michael
Cc: www-forms@w3.org
Subject: Re: XForms vs. Web Forms

Goodrich, Christopher Michael wrote:
> First,  This article omits details that have come to light recently 
> regarding the support for xforms.  Namely, the Mozilla foundation has 
> dropped their flagship suite in favor of the standalone applications 
> Firefox/Thunderbird (and quite possibly Sunbird as well, although it's

> still in beta).  Firefox currently has built in support for xforms in 
> it's nightly builds (not sure if this has been implemented in the 
> 1.0.1 release, but I suspect that was a security patch fix, not a 
> feature upgrade).

This statement is false. Firefox has a plugin that enables support for
XForms. It is not enabled by default, it has to be downloaded
separately. And, not all is supported.

> My vote still lies with xforms (ok, I'm being biased here) I don't 
> like Microshaft's proprietary ways and support open standards that 
> make life easier (scripting is definitely NOT easier).

Since when is Web Forms 2.0 from Microsoft? Since when does it heavily
rely on scripting?

Perhaps you should read up a bit on both specification (and
implementations) before giving comments on them.

  Anne van Kesteren
Received on Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:54:26 UTC

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