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Re: Welcome to the Real-World; The Future of XForms

From: Gerald Bauer <luxorxul@yahoo.ca>
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 17:48:21 -0400 (EDT)
Message-ID: <20030410214821.21184.qmail@web40805.mail.yahoo.com>
To: www-forms@w3.org
Cc: xforms@yahoogroups.com

  Thanks for all the positive comments. 

  I think everyone agrees that having a standard that
lets you easily build forms in XML sporting "XML in,
XML out" is what everyone longs for (except, of
course, some industry giants such as Microsoft, Adobe,
IBM, and so on pushing their own ware).

> Um, IBM has just released an XForms prototype. And
> Oracle has one in the pipeline too, I understand. 

 Well, it's one thing to throw together a server-side
tag lib that spits out HTML, it's another to build a
rich browser with built-in XForms support challenging
Internet Explorer.

  Doesn't Microsoft's HTML "containment" strategy work
like a charm? Browser innovation practically halted
since Internet Explorer has taken over the market.

> Some specific examples would go a long way to 
> understanding what you consider good and bad in 
> XForms.

  As I said I don't claim to have all the answers and
I invite everybody to innovate and feel free to
clean-up the XForms spec and add whatever they need to
their own XForms 1.0 motors/engine/browsers.

  Again, once there are XForms motors/engines/browser
you can play with, you will get "real" thoughts from
"real" users and then the "real" XForms leaders can
get togther and hammer out an interop spec (aka XForms
2.0 or whatever you wonna call it).

  As an example, just look a the forthcoming XForms
book from Micah Dubinko, the XForms spec lead online @
http://dubinko.info/writing/xforms/book.html . Don't
get me wrong I applaud his efforts. However, more two
hundreds pages and with barely a single "real-world"
example speaks for itself.

  For more details about my mini-XForms critique
including examples, check out slide #16 from my "Rich
Clients, Rich Browsers, Rich Portals" talk online @
http://vamphq.com/talk/vanx-mar-2003/slides.html#rich-16

 More details about my XForms clean-up will be
forthcoming as Luxor progesses, after all, Luxor is a
free, open-source projects residing online @
http://luxor-xul.sourceforge.net 

  - Gerald 

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