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RE: Review of XForms working draft

From: T. V. Raman <tvraman@almaden.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:24:16 -0800
Message-ID: <14930.18176.831178.702951@raman.almaden.ibm.com>
To: Rob McDougall <RMcDouga@JetForm.com>
Cc: "'tvraman@almaden.ibm.com'" <tvraman@almaden.ibm.com>, Micah Dubinko <MDubinko@cardiff.com>, "'gilescope@yahoo.co.uk'" <gilescope@yahoo.co.uk>, "'www-forms@w3.org'" <www-forms@w3.org>
yes --as you prove yourself below.
>>>>> "Rob" == Rob McDougall <RMcDouga@JetForm.com> writes:

    Rob> Hmm, the fact that this editorial mistake was
    Rob> self-evident to someone outside the working group
    Rob> indicates to me that the max attribute itself is in
    Rob> fact simple and self-evident.

    Rob> It's interesting how one's predispositions can
    Rob> influence one's conclusions, isn't it?

    Rob> Rob

    Rob> -----Original Message----- From: T. V. Raman
    Rob> [mailto:tvraman@almaden.ibm.com] Sent: January 2,
    Rob> 2001 1:37 PM To: Micah Dubinko Cc:
    Rob> 'gilescope@yahoo.co.uk'; 'www-forms@w3.org'
    Rob> Subject: RE: Review of XForms working draft

    Rob> On 1: I would strongly advocate against our
    Rob> continuing to cook up our abbreviated versions of
    Rob> max-inclusive and friends.  I believed this at the
    Rob> FTF --the review comments only strengthen this
    Rob> belief.

    Rob> We might well feel that max-inclusive etc are "too
    Rob> cmplex" according to some as yet undefined
    Rob> complexity measure; however we are not making
    Rob> things simpler by adding quirks of our own that
    Rob> appear "simpler" to us --the rest of the world will
    Rob> just remain confused.

>>>>> "Micah" == Micah Dubinko <MDubinko@cardiff.com> writes:

    Micah> Giles, Thanks for your time and feedback.

    Micah> on 1) - I believe you are correct. Is this
    Micah> confusing enough that we should consider just
    Micah> leaving the inclusive/exclusive versions and skip
    Micah> the abbreviated one alltogether?

    Micah> on 2) - I like this idea. We will consider
    Micah> something along these lines for our ongoing
    Micah> research with the XForms Processing Model.

    Micah> Thanks!

    Micah> Micah Dubinko Co-editor, W3C XForms Working Group

    Micah> -----Original Message----- From: Giles Cope
    Micah> [mailto:gec@hyperoffice.com] Sent: Tuesday,
    Micah> January 02, 2001 4:37 AM To: www-forms@w3.org
    Micah> Subject: Review of XForms working draft

    Micah> 1. 'max' for Number should be short for
    Micah> maxInclusive not maxExclusive (and 'min'
    Micah> respectivly).

    Micah> 2. In 9.4: We do need a syntax to work on
    Micah> multiple models but,

    Micah> <xfm:textbox
    Micah> ref="instance::b/orderForm/shipTo/firstName">
    Micah> but we loose the idea of the current context
    Micah> using this syntax, and have to specify everything
    Micah> from the root.

    Micah> We need something like:

    Micah> <xfm:textbox ref="instance::b./shipTo/firstName">

    Micah> but obviously with better syntax. Maybe we could
    Micah> select the current context in the binding
    Micah> element:

    Micah> <xfm:bind> <xfm:select="orderForm/shipTo/">
    Micah> <xfm:bind id="myfirstname" ref="firstName""/>
    Micah> <xfm:bind id="myaddresszip" ref="address/zip"/>
    Micah> </xfm:select> </xfm:bind>

    Micah> my two cents, gilescope@yahoo.co.uk
    Micah> ----------------------------------------------------------
    Micah> "My sole reply," said he, "to that demand Is
    Micah> action; when a fit request is made Silence and
    Micah> deeds should follow out of hand."  -- Virgil
    Micah> [Canto XXIV, 76]

    Rob> -- Best Regards, --raman
    Rob> ------------------------------------------------------------

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