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RE: Review of XForms working draft

From: Rob McDougall <RMcDouga@JetForm.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:09:34 -0500
Message-ID: <311000B0752ED211B61700805F0D6B09018397B8@ottmail3.jetform.com>
To: "'tvraman@almaden.ibm.com'" <tvraman@almaden.ibm.com>, Micah Dubinko <MDubinko@cardiff.com>
Cc: "'gilescope@yahoo.co.uk'" <gilescope@yahoo.co.uk>, "'www-forms@w3.org'" <www-forms@w3.org>
Hmm, the fact that this editorial mistake was self-evident to someone
outside the working group indicates to me that the max attribute itself is
in fact simple and self-evident.

It's interesting how one's predispositions can influence one's conclusions,
isn't it?


-----Original Message-----
From: T. V. Raman [mailto:tvraman@almaden.ibm.com]
Sent: January 2, 2001 1:37 PM
To: Micah Dubinko
Cc: 'gilescope@yahoo.co.uk'; 'www-forms@w3.org'
Subject: RE: Review of XForms working draft

On 1: I would strongly advocate against our continuing to
cook up our abbreviated versions of max-inclusive and
I believed this at the FTF --the review comments only
strengthen this belief.

We might well feel that max-inclusive etc are "too cmplex"
according to some as yet undefined complexity measure;
however we are not making things simpler by adding quirks of
our own that appear "simpler" to us --the rest of the world
 will just remain confused.

>>>>> "Micah" == Micah Dubinko <MDubinko@cardiff.com> writes:

    Micah> Giles, Thanks for your time and feedback.

    Micah> on 1) - I believe you are correct. Is this
    Micah> confusing enough that we should consider just
    Micah> leaving the inclusive/exclusive versions and skip
    Micah> the abbreviated one alltogether?

    Micah> on 2) - I like this idea. We will consider
    Micah> something along these lines for our ongoing
    Micah> research with the XForms Processing Model.

    Micah> Thanks!

    Micah> Micah Dubinko Co-editor, W3C XForms Working Group

    Micah> -----Original Message----- From: Giles Cope
    Micah> [mailto:gec@hyperoffice.com] Sent: Tuesday,
    Micah> January 02, 2001 4:37 AM To: www-forms@w3.org
    Micah> Subject: Review of XForms working draft

    Micah> 1. 'max' for Number should be short for
    Micah> maxInclusive not maxExclusive (and 'min'
    Micah> respectivly).

    Micah> 2. In 9.4: We do need a syntax to work on
    Micah> multiple models but,

    Micah> 	<xfm:textbox
    Micah> ref="instance::b/orderForm/shipTo/firstName">
    Micah>    but we loose the idea of the current context
    Micah> using this syntax, and have to specify everything
    Micah> from the root.

    Micah>    We need something like:

    Micah> 	<xfm:textbox
    Micah> ref="instance::b./shipTo/firstName">

    Micah>    but obviously with better syntax. Maybe we
    Micah> could select the current context in the binding
    Micah> element:

    Micah> 	<xfm:bind> <xfm:select="orderForm/shipTo/">
    Micah> <xfm:bind id="myfirstname" ref="firstName""/>
    Micah> <xfm:bind id="myaddresszip" ref="address/zip"/>
    Micah> </xfm:select> </xfm:bind>

    Micah> my two cents, gilescope@yahoo.co.uk
    Micah> ----------------------------------------------------------
    Micah> "My sole reply," said he, "to that demand Is
    Micah> action; when a fit request is made Silence and
    Micah> deeds should follow out of hand."  -- Virgil
    Micah> [Canto XXIV, 76]

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