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Re: NetScape/IE

From: cutlass <cutlass@secure0.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 11:24:38 +0100
Message-ID: <00d801c11c06$803d5850$9e01a8c0@ROSEBUD>
To: <www-forms@w3.org>
+1 on that thought.

XForms is addressing an important design pattern that is, currently, not
squarely in the domain of other efforts.

i say soldier on ( or as we used to say in hardware solder on, bad pun,
should drink coffee before i type in the morning) and ignore browser people.

i think it is very important to accelerate this effort, yet constrain the
scope at the same time.

cheers, jim fuller





----- Original Message -----
From: "Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer" <schnitz@mozquito.com>
To: "Bjoern Hoehrmann" <derhoermi@gmx.net>; "Jilani, Rashid"
<rashid.jilani@sap.com>
Cc: <www-forms@w3.org>
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: NetScape/IE


> I agree that Microsoft and Netscape are
> unlikely to support XForms, but I very
> strongly disagree with the disruptive
> pseudo-quote "There is nothing called
> XForms, it's just a draft...".
>
> Only because Microsoft and Netscape do not
> support XForms, for whatever reasons, this
> is no indication at all whether XForms is
> a good idea, whether it solves an important
> problem and thus whether it has a market we
> will see products being offered for.
>
> Or the other way around: Even if Microsoft
> and Netscape *would* support XForms, how
> long would you think it would take until
> XForms can be used, ie. at least 80% of all
> browsers deployed out there have native
> XForms support?
>
> It would take several years, and no-one here
> is willing to wait until then, since XForms
> is needed, and needed now.
>
> XSLT, for example, took off quite well
> without Microsoft and Netscape ever
> implementing it in the browser. So can we all
> stop judging important standards and technologies
> based on Microsoft's interests and strategies
> for a moment?
>
> XForms is very similar to XSLT in the way that
> XForms as a concept can be implemented as a
> generic server-side transformation process,
> transcoding XForms into whatever you want
> and whatever the client can process.
>
> Since XForms is *very* flexible (Three parts:
> Model, Data Instance and UI, whereas every
> part in itself is flexible - use any arbitrary
> XML instance for data, use any existent or
> custom UI markup language for the UI, use a
> small subset, or all of XML Schema as the basis
> for the Model), we do not see a single
> implementation of XForms, but various depending
> on the specific needs. XForms is a highly
> modular, application level W3C technology with
> a million use cases, solving a simple problem
> by giving XML a standard, bi-directional
> Human-Computer-Interface framework other XML
> applications can build upon.
>
> Because of that, several companies have already
> customly implemented XForms in their software
> projects, leveraging the full power of XForms
> for them without having to wait for Microsoft
> and Netscape.
>
> All the best,
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bjoern Hoehrmann [mailto:derhoermi@gmx.net]
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 4:13 AM
> > To: Jilani, Rashid
> > Cc: 'www-forms@w3.org'
> > Subject: Re: NetScape/IE
> >
> >
> > * Jilani, Rashid wrote:
> > >Hi: Can any one inform me what are the stand of NetSacpe and
> > IE on XForms.
> > >Are they planning to support it for their nexr future release?
> >
> > My personal opinion is that this is __very__ unlikely, especially
> > because Microsoft hasn't announced XForms support [1] for IE 6 and
> > Netscape will release NN6.1 very soon.
> >
> > [1] There is nothing called XForms, it's just a draft...
> > --
> > Björn Höhrmann { mailto:bjoern@hoehrmann.de }
> > http://www.bjoernsworld.de
> > am Badedeich 7 } Telefon: +49(0)4667/981028 {
> > http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de
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> > http://www.learn.to/quote/
> >
> >
>
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