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Re: [Moderator Action] Re: [Moderator Action] Re: Multiple pages per "form" - more clarity needed?

From: Thierry Michel <tmichel@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:50:29 +0200
Message-ID: <045301c25411$a6147150$228a608a@inria.fr>
To: "Leigh L. Klotz, Jr." <klotz@graflex.org>
Cc: <www-forms-editor@w3.org>

I do not understand what is going on.


Yes these lists are public, but are over spammed.
Therefore I  moderate both lists to avoid spam.
1- if the sender is registered to any W3C lists the message gets posted to
the lists
2- if the sender is not registered to any W3C lists the message does not get
posted to the lists. I get the message and resend it to the mailing list (if
it is mot spam of course).

I have no idea why you can not post to the list if you are using the proper
user email (any way I should get a message)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Leigh L. Klotz, Jr." <klotz@graflex.org>
To: "Thierry Michel" <tmichel@w3.org>
Cc: <www-forms-editor@w3.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:16 AM
Subject: [Moderator Action] Re: [Moderator Action] Re: Multiple pages per
"form" - more clarity needed?


>
>
> Thierry,
> I sent about four messages from klotz@adoc.xerox.com and
> Leigh.Klotz@pahv.xerox.com and they didn't show up.  I finally sent one
> from klotz@graflex.org (my house) in desperation.
>
> By the way, aren't the two lists below www-forms@w3.org and
> www-forms-editor@w3.org open to public posting?
>
>
> On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 09:33, Thierry Michel wrote:
> >
> >
> > Leigh,
> >
> > You are registered in the following mailing list under the following
emails:
> > w3c-forms@w3.org mailing list:  klotz@adoc.xerox.com and
> > Leigh.Klotz@pahv.xerox.com
> > www-forms-editor@w3.org mailing list:   same as w3c-forms@w3.org
> > www-forms@w3.org mailing list:   Leigh.Klotz@pahv.xerox.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Therefore if you send a message to any of the previous lists using
> > klotz@graflex.org, your message will not go through and will be moderate
> > (and delayed).
> > Same issue when sending  to www-forms@w3.org using the
klotz@adoc.xerox.com.
> >
> >
> > Moderator: message sent to www-forms@w3.org <www-forms@w3.org>;
> > www-forms-editor@w3.org <www-forms-editor@w3.org>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Leigh Klotz" <klotz@graflex.org>
> > To: <www-forms-editor@w3.org>
> > Cc: <xforms@yahoogroups.com>; <www-forms@w3.org>;
<www-forms-editor@w3.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 4:15 AM
> > Subject: [Moderator Action] Re: Multiple pages per "form" - more clarity
> > needed?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: AndrewWatt2001@aol.com
> > > > Message-ID: <38.2d6c9882.2aa4c3cd@aol.com>
> > > > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:38:21 EDT
> > > > To: xforms@yahoogroups.com, www-forms@w3.org,
www-forms-editor@w3.org
> > > > Subject: Multiple pages per "form" - more clarity needed?
> > > >
> > > > Chapter 4.3 of the XForms Requirements documents refers (among other
> > things)
> > > > to supporting multiple pages per form.
> > > >
> > > > It isn't obvious to me exactly how this normative requirement should
be
> > > > interpreted. The vagueness about what is or is not an XForms "form"
> > again
> > > > arises here. Since I am presently unclear about what an XForms
"form"
> > > > actually is I am not sure how to interpret the Requirements
document.
> > > Compare with WML Cards and some similar constructs in Voice work (I'm
> > > unsure of the exact one).
> > >
> > > The goal is to have a form which is in one host document, retrieved
and
> > > initialized once, yet able to switch its presentation to provide a
> > > moving "window" in the user interface layer to present different parts
> > > of the instance, under form author control, and in response to user
> > > input.  XForms does this with the switch, case, and toggle elements..
> > >
> > > See Section 9.2 (The Switch Module).
> > > http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-xforms-20020821/slice9.html#id2628534
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Are we, for example, referring to an XForms model which is
duplicated on
> > two
> > > > separate-but-related XHTML pages? With each page having some of the
> > XForms
> > > > form controls? Does xforms:instance on page 1 only have the
> > initialization
> > > > data for the form controls on page 1? Or for both pages?
> > > You've probably already figuredt this out from the previous paragraph,
> > > but the form is initialized once in the one host document, but its
> > > presentation is altered by the switch, so the model-level semantic
> > > questions you ask here don't arise.
> > >
> > > > If the latter scenario, then how is a field that is displayed on
page 2
> > that
> > > > is required to be non-empty to be processed, assuming that data is
> > submitted
> > > > when the form controls on the first page are filled in?
> > > All validation is done at time of submission, but an author can use
> > > XPath expressions to disable the trigger that advances to the next
> > > toggle, etc.
> > >
> > > If this doesn't answer your questions below, please let me know.
> > >
> > > Leigh.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Or is the type of layout solution I have used on http://www.XMML.com
> > with SVG
> > > > "mini pages" the kind of scenario which is envisaged? ... with, of
> > course,
> > > > XForms form controls where there are currently only SVG
text-containing
> > > > mini-pages.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > To what extent, if any, is an XForms processor responsible for
bringing
> > the
> > > > parts of the instance data together?
> > > >
> > > > Andrew Watt
> > > >
>
Received on Wednesday, 4 September 2002 08:50:36 GMT

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