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XForms response to select1 vs. singleSelect

From: Klotz, Leigh <Leigh.Klotz@pahv.xerox.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:40:34 -0700
Message-ID: <51B8ABCE456FD111899900805F6FD6EE0FF579DF@mercury.ADOC.xerox.com>
To: "'Piroumian Konstantin'" <KPiroumian@protek.com>, "'www-forms-editor@w3.org'" <www-forms-editor@w3.org>
Cc: "Klotz, Leigh" <Leigh.Klotz@pahv.xerox.com>

Thank you for your comments. 

I'd like to answer the issues you raise in your last message (below) and ask
you a question.

On <choose> and <choice>:
- Either would be confused with the "choices" element -- one might
reasonably believe that <choice> would always be a child element of
(Please see
- The pair of names "choice" and "select" doesn't really indicate which is
used for a single selection and which is used for multiple choice.
(Or is it which is used for a single choice and which is used for multiple

On the XHTML 2.0 issues raised:
- Public discussion of XHTML takes place on www-html@w3.org, so you can ask
detailed questions about the h and section elements there.
- We consulted with the HTML WG Chair, and he recommended that we keep
<select> and <select1>.

It's difficult to come up with names that fit all constraints and make
everyone happy.  Can you can live with the names in the current XForms
working draft?

Thank you,

-----Original Message-----
From: Piroumian Konstantin [mailto:KPiroumian@protek.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:51 AM
To: 'Klotz, Leigh'; 'www-forms@w3.org'
Subject: RE: Naming: select1 vs. singleSelect

> From: Klotz, Leigh [mailto:Leigh.Klotz@pahv.xerox.com] 
> Hello.
> A strong goal of XForms integration with XHTML 2.0, and the 
> XHTML Working
> Group asked that we avoid hyphens and use only lowercase 
> letters for element
> and attribute names, which rules out both "selectOne" and 
> "select-one".  

Ok. So what about a 'choice' or 'choose' (compare with 'select')?

> The all lower-case "selectone" is difficult to read in 
> English, as it would
> be pronounced "selec-tone", and is indeed used as such in at least one
> trademark (http://www.com-spec.com/selectone/).

I see.

> I don't think that trailing numerals in element names are 
> unusual; see HTML
> <h1>, <h2>, etc.

The <h1>, etc. elements are deprecated in XHTML 2.0 in favour of <section>

So, if XForms is going to be integrated with XHTML 2.0 then it's better to
avoid old-styled naming.


> Thank you,
> Leigh L. Klotz, Jr.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Piroumian Konstantin [mailto:KPiroumian@protek.com] 
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 12:21 AM
> To: 'www-forms@w3.org'
> Subject: Naming: select1 vs. singleSelect
> Hi!
> What is the reason of using a name like 'select1' for single choice
> selection element?
> Don't you think that this kind of name is absolutely unusual 
> in XML, XSL,
> XHTML or HTML worlds? What's wrong with 'selectOne' or
> 'singleSelect'/'multiSelect' names? Or maybe 'select-one' 
> (using XSLT naming
> convensions)?
> Regards,
>   Konstantin Piroumian 
>   Ivelin Ivanov
> --
>   Apache Cocoon: http://xml.apache.org/cocoon
>   kpiroumian@apache.org
>   ivelin@apache.org
Received on Tuesday, 27 August 2002 17:41:35 UTC

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