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Re: ActiveNodeSet/StaticNodeSet alternative

From: Ray Whitmer <rayw@netscape.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 20:03:56 +0000
Message-ID: <3B44C82C.2070904@netscape.com>
To: "Arnold Curt" <Curt.Arnold@hyprotech.com>
CC: "'www-dom@w3.org'" <www-dom@w3.org>
Arnold, Curt wrote:

>However, that would still not negate my point that objects that 
>represent the same concept (a NodeSet) should at least share a common
>ancestor interface so that you don't have to create four different
>implementations of some code that doesn't care if the NodeSet is a 
>NodeList, NamedNodeMap, ActiveNodeSet or StaticNodeSet.  Though
>if those distinctions might be essential to some applications,
>they could be expressed by different derived interfaces or property
 A while before the draft was published the two interfaces did derive
from a common base, but people wanted a more-iterator-like approach 
where it
made most sense in the ActiveNodeSet, so it was changed.  This makes the
ActiveNodeSet very like an iterator which invalidates itself when the 
thing it
is iterating over changes.

The alternative seems to be to force implementations to be both lists 
and iterators,
and everyone loses.  At least now the user can choose one object or the 
If the current design is kept, I am reasonably certain that most 
will still share a base implementation, but not at the public method 
level, and it is not
clear that it is important for them to share public method names, since 
the behaviors
of the two sets are quite different -- one tracks the current hierarchy 
whereas the
other represents a snapshot.  The two cannot behave identically.  If 
your active
implementation chooses to use a static snapshot and add invalidation on 
creating an iterator on top of a list is few lines of code.  For other 
the active set might be the base, which doesn't need to set up caching 
since it
can be incrementally computed since we know it is active, and building a 
set on top of an active set implementation is, likewise, quite a trivial 

>I'm not sure of the value of ActiveNodeSet.  For the usage scenario
>that you described, the tree being modified during the lifetime of
>the NodeSet, presumably by another thread, all ActiveNodeSet gets you
>is a check that the node is still a member of the result set at the
>instant of the call to item().  Its membership in result set
>could be invalidated immediately after the call to item().
If you have threads asynchronously modifying the tree, all bets are off 
for nearly
any DOM use case I can think of.  Consider it a given that there must be 
between threads operating on the same document managed by the 
application.  There
is NO substitute for synchronization between threads.  DOM methods will 
without synchronization, and most DOM operations involve multiple operations
that must be synchronized as a single operation or the program will crash.

But for properly-synchronized applications, the ActiveNodeSet guarantees
that the hierarchy has not been mutated since the set was computed, which is
valuable to either a synchronized or to a single threaded application.

>If we had a distinct XPath expression interface, could the anticipated
>use cases not be more cleanly implemented by having evalute and
>evaluteAsNodeSet return a "static" list, but expose a method on the XPath
>expression that allows you to determine whether a particular node is
>instantaneously a member of the result set for the XPath expression.
This would be more painful to use -- instead of just expecting an 
exception if
the hierarchy has mutated, you would have to recheck every node.  This also
permits a number of mutations that impact the set, but may not be 
detected when
testing one node at a time.   It might answer "true" because the node 
has been
moved to some prior location in the node set, meaning that the order has 
without the application being aware of it.  Testing a single node tells 
you little
about the general integrity of the set with respect to the current 
hierarchy.  If the
document is changed, it is likely that the processing has been 
invalidated, even
though the current node may still be in the set.

It also seems difficult to use efficiently, because it may cause repeated
unnecessary reevaluation of the XPath expression that still fails to
warn of the skew between the snapshot and the hierarchy.

That's my take, anyway.

Best regards,

Ray Whitmer
Received on Thursday, 5 July 2001 22:59:29 UTC

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