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From: Arnaud Le Hors <lehors@us.ibm.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:59:23 -0700
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Hi all,

While I unfortunately missed the presentation last night, I had a look
at JDOM. I must say that while it is definitely simpler, it can hardly
compare to the DOM.
I'll be the first one to say that the DOM is far from being the cleanest
and leanest API one could dream of but, unlike JDOM, at least it
truthfully represents XML.

JDOM appears to fail to even simply represent the XML document tree as
it should. Processing instructions, for instance, aren't found in the
tree but instead are stored at the document level.

JDOM confuses entity references and entities. While entity refs are
represented by an Entity object, entities are simply absent.

The way namespaces are handled show a clear misunderstanding of the
basics of XML namespaces and, unless a serious redesign is undertaken,
it will only work for simple cases.

So, if the DOM is "ridiculously complex", JDOM appears to be
ridiculously simple... Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;-)
Arnaud  Le Hors

Brett McLaughlin wrote:
> Java + XML = JDOM
> If you're from the Silicon Valley area, you may be interested in
> attending the Mountain View Java User's Group meeting April 26th where
> I'm scheduled to talk about JDOM. Here's the blurb:
> What do you get when you mix Java and XML? You get JDOM, the Java
> Document Object Model. Haven't heard of JDOM? That's because it's *brand
> new* and this talk is one of the first chances to learn about it! Soon
> you'll probably hear about JDOM everywhere.
> JDOM is an open source API for easily and efficiently reading and
> writing  XML data. It's a replacement for the ridiculously complex DOM
> and SAX APIs. Unlike DOM and SAX, JDOM is optimized for the Java
> programmer; it uses standard Java programming idioms and takes advantage
> of Java language features. The result is a document model that's more
> powerful than DOM and operates at roughly the speed of SAX.
> This talk is being given by the co-creators of JDOM -- Jason Hunter,
> author of "Java Servlet Programming" (O'Reilly), and Brett McLaughlin,
> author of the soon-to-be-released "Java and XML" (O'Reilly).
> For details see http://www.mtvjug.org.
> If you're in the area, folks, check this out - we have quite a few
> surprises in store for you.  Not only do we offer a /very/ attractive
> alternative to SAX and DOM, we are still 100% interoperable with SAX and
> DOM - you can create a JDOM Document from SAX, DOM, and a variety of
> other formats, and output to DOM, fire SAX events, plus some more
> treats.
> This is, in fact, an idea that Jason and I came up with merged with
> support from James Davidson and Pier Fumagalli, who had done some
> initial work of their own on the concept.  I hope to see you there.
> -Brett McLaughlin
> Author, "Java and XML" (O'Reilly) July 2000
> Author, "Enterprise Applications in Java" (O'Reilly) 4th Qtr 2000
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