Re: Please explain the role of the W3C in the continuing developmentof HTML

hi Jeff,
thanks for the clarification, of course i will make time to speak with Ian.

regards
Steve Faulkner

On 15 February 2011 11:05, <jeff@w3.org> wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Ian wasn't looking to give you "the answer" in the private call.
>
> The purpose of the call was to get a better perspective of the points you
> were looking for - beyond what was in the press release, so we could address
> these points with the membership.
>
> Your perspectives are important to us so I hope you and Ian can connect.
>
> Jeff
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> ------------------------------
> *From: * Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:27:18 +0000
> *To: *Ian Jacobs<ij@w3.org>
> *Cc: *<jeff@w3.org>; <timbl@w3.org>; <plh@w3.org>; www-archive<
> www-archive@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: Please explain the role of the W3C in the continuing
> development of HTML
>
> Hi Ian,
>
> I don't know if a private conversation would be very productive, as it is a
> question that quite a few people would like answered:
>
> "Please explain the role of the W3C in the continuing development of HTML"
>
> Pointing to a press release is not an answer. Anyway I will take up no more
> of your time as you appear unable or unwilling to directly answer the
> question. I felt if I didn't at least try to get the W3C to counter
> web/standards community perceptions,  I would be remiss. I have now tried.
>
>
>
> Best regards
> Steve Faulkner
>
>
> On 14 February 2011 22:36, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 14 Feb 2011, at 4:21 PM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Ian,
>>>
>>> I won't press you any further,
>>> but will say that I am disappointed that the W3C does not appear to have
>>> the strength of leadership to directly explain its role in the development
>>> of HTML.
>>>
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I propose we chat by phone. That will help me understand what you may be
>> seeking. Want to schedule (offlist) time to chat?
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>>> This reluctance only serves to promote the perception that now, the W3C
>>> only plays a peripheral role in the development of HTML, while the core
>>> responsibility and influence over the continuing development of HTML is in
>>> the hands of the WHAT WG.
>>>
>>> If The W3C top brass do ever come to the realisation that those who give
>>> their time to the development of HTML at the W3C, deserve a clear
>>> explanation. I can assure you it will be appreciated
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> with regards
>>> Steve Faulkner
>>>
>>> On 14 February 2011 21:44, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 14 Feb 2011, at 3:41 PM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ian,
>>>
>>> a polite reminder
>>>
>>> you wrote:
>>>
>>> "I plan to follow up with you on this next Monday."
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Apologies for not answering here as well. I did answer in your question
>>> on the W3C blog:
>>>  http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/02/last_year_i_published_several.html#c214182
>>>
>>> where I wrote:
>>>
>>>  "Today W3C announced the extension of the HTML Working Group. The press
>>> release we issued speaks to some of these issues:
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/02/htmlwg-pr.html"
>>>
>>> Hope that helps and thanks for checking back,
>>>
>>>  _ Ian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Steve Faulkner
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 February 2011 15:12, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 8 Feb 2011, at 3:43 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> There has been much discussion[1] about HTML/HTML5 over the past few
>>> weeks due to the HTML5 logo and the WHATWG changing the name and stripping
>>> the vestiges of HTML versioning.
>>> The WHATWG have clearly stated the rationale for the formalisation of the
>>> WHAT WG HTML - living standard, one that includes the devaluation of the W3C
>>> spec development model.
>>>
>>> What has been and is clearly missing from this public discourse is the
>>> clear articulation (by the W3C) of the role of the W3C in HTML development
>>> and the value proposition of the specification process used by the W3C for
>>> HTML5.
>>>
>>> Please provide a clear expalnation of the role of the W3C in the
>>> continuing development of HTML
>>>
>>> Hello Steve,
>>>
>>> I plan to follow up with you on this next Monday.
>>>
>>> Ian Jacobs, Head of W3C Communications
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] a selection
>>> http://www.zeldman.com/2011/01/27/html5-vs-html/
>>> http://blog.whatwg.org/html-is-the-new-html5
>>> http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/html-the-standard-failed-585
>>> http://adactio.com/journal/4301/
>>>
>>> --
>>> with regards
>>>
>>> Steve Faulkner
>>> Technical Director - TPG
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
>>> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> with regards
>>>
>>> Steve Faulkner
>>> Technical Director - TPG
>>>
>>> www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com |
>>> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner
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>>> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
>>> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> with regards
>>>
>>> Steve Faulkner
>>> Technical Director - TPG
>>>
>>> www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com |
>>> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner
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>>> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/
>>> Web Accessibility Toolbar -
>>> www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
>> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> with regards
>
> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG
>
> www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com |
> www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner
> HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives -
> dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/
> Web Accessibility Toolbar - www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
>
>
>


-- 
with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG

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