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Re: PF Response: @Summary

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 18:54:55 +0000 (UTC)
To: Joshue O Connor <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie>
Cc: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>, Jim Jewett <jimjjewett@gmail.com>, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>, W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>, Gez Lemon <gez.lemon@gmail.com>, "wai-liaison@w3.org" <wai-liaison@w3.org>, John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>, www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>, HTML WG Public List <public-html@w3.org>
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On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, Joshue O Connor wrote:
> >
> > I think this anecdotal case study supports the notion that @summary 
> > isn't actually used as prescribed--not even by experts.
> You could take that view, but it doesn't progress the argument. The 
> point is moot.

The point is that we need solutions that aren't just capable _in theory_ 
of solving the problem; we need solutions that _in practice_ actually 
solve the problem. Time and time again, it is shown that summary="" isn't 
able to solve the problem *even when the authors truly want to solve it*.

In the two or so years that we've been having this discussion, I think I 
can count the examples of good summary="" text that have been brought 
forward and actually are good summary=""s on the fingers of one hand. This 
makes even longdesc="" look positively useful.

We need a better solution. The summary="" attribute is harming the cause 
of accessibility by leading people astray, letting people think they are 
solving a problem they are not solving. Continuing to make it conforming 
when we have half a dozen better suggestions already in HTML5 is not 
helping the blind or other AT users.

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