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Re: summary issue closed

From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:21:28 +0000 (UTC)
To: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>, www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>, public html for all <list@html4all.org>, Joshue O Connor <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0803232113290.28707@hixie.dreamhostps.com>

Sorry to jump in here, but it seems there are some misunderstandings.

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Steven Faulkner wrote:
> in february Josh, raised an issue in the issue tracker [1] (via
> jgraham) about the dropping of the summary attribute, . He was preparing to
> discuss it at the teleconference a few weeks ago, but ran out of time (there
> has not been a teleconference since , so no chance for further discussion).

If anyone wants to have a telecon, they don't have to wait for Dan or 
Chris to announce one. Just speak to our W3C staff contact, Mike, and he 
can arrange a telecon whenever. Indeed, I am sure our chairs are happy for 
other people to use the regular telecon time even if they're not around to 
chair themselves.

Please, feel free to take initiative! :-)

> We have discussed it privately since and thought it may be best to get 
> PF WG to review the issue. Now the issue has been closed by the editor.

That just means I looked at it and took into account all the feedback 
raised so far. There hasn't been much research on the matter (indeed, 
there hasn't been much discussion even); obviously if there is any new 
information, such as a clear description of a problem that HTML5 doesn't 
solve, I would be very happy to take it into account.

> So now he will have to re-raise the issue, which he didn't get chance to 
> discuss in the first place, but '"without mentioning summary="" ' (as 
> per [2])

Just to clarify, my request to not mention summary="" is merely a 
restatement of earlier requests to very clearly separate the description 
of the problem and the description of the proposed solutions (and 
discussion of their pros and cons). In the past, we have had difficulty 
separating the two topics (problem and solution), which makes it very 
hard to do technically sound language design. (Just look at the namespace 
thread recently for more examples of this.)

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